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re: How to make $300k arbitraging credit card points and then pay zero taxes on it

Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48645 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
As someone that doesn't know much about cc rewards, what do you do with the points? Travel rewards?
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2757 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 1:32 pm to
It’s all about the sign up bonuses. I don’t give much thought into their category spend unless I can scale it.

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As someone that doesn't know much about cc rewards, what do you do with the points? Travel rewards?


I mostly redeem for biz/first international travels
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 1:37 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35575 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 2:10 pm to
Amex has tons of transfer partners for their points. Hotel chains, airlines, etc. If you play your cards right and choose the right airline with off-peak miles you can get business class flights to Europe for 30k Amex points or less. Some even get a bonus at times. For instance.

Amex to Avios 1 to 1:4, 30000 Amex points transfers to 42000 Avios. Iberia business class off-peak from IAD to Madrid for 42500 Avios in business class. That's a redemption that is very tough to beat.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 2:11 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48645 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 2:21 pm to
I don't know if I fly often enough anymore for it to be worth it for me. I haven't been on a plane in 10-12 years I believe. It's too expensive to fly a family around and I don't travel for work anymore.

Maybe we'll travel more when the kids are out of the house.
This post was edited on 4/28/24 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39590 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 2:41 pm to
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This article is complete bullshite... but what was the Vanilla card scheme that was on this board about 5yrs back?


Vanilla Reloads. You bought them at CVS. That was an easy one.

The money order thing has been around for years now. It's probably the only widely public MS option still going.

So many avenues got shut down people don't share how they do it anymore. Though, when those get shut down, they'll disclose it and I become aware that I'm just not using my brain enough to figure out new ways.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35575 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 3:33 pm to
If yopu have an avenue to get points without spending your own money (i.e. business expenses) it's a fantastic way to give yourself a travel benefit. If you don't, I don't recommend it to people because it tends to build debt.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26581 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 3:57 pm to
Yeah we have the Fidelity credit card which isn't advertised much, but it's 2% cash back on all purchases, no limit, and no annual fee. Just put everything on there except when there's an extra cc fee and then I pay cash.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12920 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 6:53 pm to
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It’s all about the sign up bonuses.


This. Got several credit cards last year with 90-100,000 point bonuses with $3000 spend. I easily do that every month. Me and the wife are flying to Crete and Portugal business class free this summer.

I like Amex (have Platinum) but Chase Sapphire is the tits. More airlines you can transfer points to and you can transfer Chase Ink to Sapphire to pool points.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
90745 posts
Posted on 4/28/24 at 7:02 pm to
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hard to believe he made 300k in CASH BACK? you realize how much he had to do? to acquire that?


6 million in purchases if at 5%
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34793 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:04 am to
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I like Amex (have Platinum) but Chase Sapphire is the tits. More airlines you can transfer points to and you can transfer Chase Ink to Sapphire to pool points.

Chase Sapphire is great because you can transfer to Hyatt. It's crazy how much value you can get there instead of any other hotel chain you can transfer to

You can usually get rooms for like 10k a night when somewhere like Marriot is going to be close to 50k a night for the same kind of hotel
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 1:05 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56396 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 8:47 am to
quote:

read the article. it is obvious you do not know how it works,.
no one is getting 300k in cash back off credit card rewards
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26581 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:31 am to
Drizzt- do you just cancel and/or downgrade when your yearly renewal comes up?
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72824 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:32 am to
quote:

quote:
read the article. it is obvious you do not know how it works,.

no one is getting 300k in cash back off credit card rewards





THAT is not what i am referring to, I am referring to THE ARTICLE I POSTED ABOUT SELLING CREDIT. he never posted an article. he posted a screenshot.



Posted by prostyleoffensetime
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2009
11447 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:44 am to
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I like Amex (have Platinum) but Chase Sapphire is the tits. More airlines you can transfer points to and you can transfer Chase Ink to Sapphire to pool points.


Can you explain this a little bit?

We run $350-400k/yr through a Chase Ink Business Premier, and I just cash them out periodically.

Also have a AMEX Blue Business, but probably don’t do $50k through it. They’re the same rewards (2% cash back I think). The Chase is def unlimited 2%, and AMEX is 2%, but maybe with a cap?

As far as personal CC’s we don’t really have much that is rewarding at all, (low end AMEX and Citi) so we really don’t use them.

Do I need to get a personal Chase Sapphire and just start running some personal expenses through it (groceries, gas, etc.)? Then just stick to Chase only? Hotels and Airlines will be main uses for points.

But I think AMEX to Hilton transfer is good too? I don’t know. I don’t keep up with where and how to redeem as well as I should because I’m usually just cashing out.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36091 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:38 am to
quote:

read the article. it is obvious you do not know how it works,.



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Key Takeaways: People make money by selling their authorized user tradelines. While you may not reach earning $1,000 per hour, you may earn a side income. There are some risks that come with selling tradelines, such as potentially getting your account shut down if you add to many authorized users.



Na, sounds like I know exactly how it works.

LINK

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#1 – Selling Your Tradelines May Be Violating The Terms of Service of Your Credit Card Account
According to CreditCard.com, selling your tradelines to a stranger is probably against the terms of service that you signed up for with your credit card company.

With the exception of your spouse, domestic partner, or kids, you cannot assign your rights for payment to someone else to use your card. For example, Discover’s cardholder agreement states, “You may not sell, assign or transfer your Account without first obtaining our prior written consent.”

If you are caught violating your card terms, your account could be closed. According to Barry Paperno, a credit score expert and former columnist for CreditCards.com.


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#2 Selling Your Tradelines Can Get Your Card Accounts Closed
Today, most banks monitor for authorized tradeline abuse. Their risk departments will flag any account where more than 4 -6 authorized users have been added.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 11:43 am
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
17023 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 11:45 am to
I don't like believe this because the post like keeps going on and on with like no cohesion. Like there are so many things wrong with this like I don't believe it.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
6459 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 11:13 am to
This scheme worked 15 years ago, but would be almost impossible to pull off in 2024. Few polaces will allow you to buy a money order with a gift card. Virtually nowhere. This will also violate most credit card agreements. You will wind up with your cashback voided and your card cancelled.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12920 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:00 pm to
quote:

Drizzt- do you just cancel and/or downgrade when your yearly renewal comes up?


Some I keep if I like the perks like Amex Platinum. The Centurion Club access is great if you fly often, great travel insurance, and you get $400 a year credit for Dell plus other credits. Others I have canceled (Air Canada and Alaska Air) after I got the points. You never want to just cancel since you lose the credit. Call in and ask Chase or BOA to transfer your credit line to another one of their cards you are keeping then close the card. This lets you move credit to other cards you want to open in the future.
Posted by Drizzt
Cimmeria
Member since Aug 2013
12920 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

Do I need to get a personal Chase Sapphire and just start running some personal expenses through it (groceries, gas, etc.)? Then just stick to Chase only? Hotels and Airlines will be main uses for points. But I think AMEX to Hilton transfer is good too? I don’t know. I don’t keep up with where and how to redeem as well as I should because I’m usually just cashing out.


I have a personal Chase Sapphire Preferred and was able to transfer my business Ink points to that account. To transfer points you need a Sapphire Preferred or Ink Preferred card. I like Chase points because they have more airlines I like. Amex points are good but they have fewer airlines, mainly Delta domestic. Amex points can be used for KLM/Air France but these are rarely good deals.

I would not transfers Amex points to Hilton as the value is less than if you use for airfare. I have an Amex Hilton and that is a better way to build Hilton points (you get complimentary Diamond status which is nice as well).
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 6:17 pm
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72824 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 10:18 pm to
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Na, sounds like I know exactly how it works.


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Selling Your Tradelines May Be Violating


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no more than 4 -6 authorized users have been added.


who the frick said use more than that? at any given time? had you read the fricking article you would have seen where they are added for a short period then removed,.

The stuff goes on. FACT! all the time. you do not KNOW shite. The fact you are mad over this is



Take the L and run away gumptard. no matter how much you

you will not stop it.




just saw where you basically live on that cesspool board called the OT. stay the frick over there with the OT filth.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 10:32 pm
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