re: 3 US governors ask Turks and Caicos to release Americans detained over ammo

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There is no difference, Griner said she packed quickly and didn't know it was in her bag.

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ignorance(and bullshitting,) is no excuse, who tf leaves ammo in a suitcase? baws on here are like "that could happen to anyone!" what about leaving a loaded weapon in reach of a toddler at home? ah shite!! I completely forgot it was loaded!!!

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All us Americans need to stop spending money traveling to Turks/Caicos and they will let these guys go

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Count us out. Turks is one of our favorite places to visit. My husband is a huge hunter and we both have LTCs and we know better than to travel abroad with ammo in our suitcase. All luggage is checked before we pack. Ammo is taken very seriously in other countries.

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These guys fricked up and should face the consequences as well.

Don’t bring shite you aren’t supposed to have into foreign countries.

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On a practical level, sure. I have no intention of stripping these guys of agency or personal responsibility.

But we have no obligation to respect or value the stupid laws of another country in terms of how Americans respond to the situation. There is zero wrong with Americans telling T&C they'll bleed their tourism and punish their economy if they don't find a way out of imprisoning dads who have zero moral culpability/wrongdoing in any meaningful sense.

Extortion. If enough people boycott them over technicality traps like this, they will either change their tune or starve.

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Seems like TSA should have caught that first

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I heard and interview with two of these guys on the Meat Eater podcast. One of them checked the bag on the way there and carried it on, on the way home.

Don't remember the other one.

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There is no difference, Griner said she packed quickly and didn't know it was in her bag.

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Unless we're willing to release known terrorists in exchange for these guys, there's a BIG difference.....

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much more crowded than when we first started going there.

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I first started going to Provo about thirty years ago, it was a late developing island and there was almost nothing there, it was pretty nice, still a nice place, just getting pretty crowded, on a trivial note, my wife and I were in Provo when this happened, we left the day after old baw got busted, security line was almost out the front door when you usually breeze in and out of there pretty quickly

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I don't disagree, but there is a line to be drawn between generally reasonable punishment and losing over a decade of your life in prison because you left a few stray bullets in your bag by accident.

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In the end we just don't have to be ideologically consistent.

Those guys are "ours" and T&C is "them." It's perfectly reasonable and sound to favor us over them even if we acknowledge these guys screwed up in some limited fashion.

Throwing power and weight around is the natural and historic condition of negotiations and we have leverage over T&C. Perfectly fine to use it here, IMO.

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frick that place I am never going.

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probably too poor and this excuse ur making is just a cope

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I’ll still be enjoying the beauty of T&C

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yep

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Just make sure to bring the right luggage

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my wife wanted to bring back a few bottles of PeppaJoy when we were there recently and I told her she'd either have to buy it inside security or check a bag, security was the first thing that came to mind, and we're talking a couple of bottles of hot sauce, not bullets