re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety

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now that is a hell of a take.

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Addiction is largely sociological, psychological, and economic in nature, with a dash of OCD. This applies to drugs, food, shopping, porn, etc.

OC is fine. The vast majority of users have no addiction issues. The people who developed addiction issues likely would have found another one instead.

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What about insulin for a T1D? Are you against that peptide too because it’s manufactured by big pharma? Is every drug, supplement, etc manufactured by big industry inherently bad or not worth the risk?

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By his logic, yes. Every medicine that has been discovered since penicillin is too risky and everyone should live a good lifestyle and lifting weights and eating right would eliminate any and all ailments one human has. Because of BigPharm. Social media told him that we should all go back to beet roots and lavender to treat any ailments.

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Literally no one here has said this.

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I think we are talking past one another. Ultimately the consequences of these drugs won’t being in side effects like nausea and oily anal discharges or anything they would say at the end of a TV commercial. The side effects will be something like what we will see after giving a generation of kids adderall.

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Not in this thread or discussion I haven't.

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Of what relevance is this point. You are critical of GLP1s and people that use them, but since you’ve haven’t been as critical in this particular thread… then what? We have to pretend that isn’t your position?

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don't you dare try and shame these people.

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I don’t really care whether you shame fat people or not. It’s really irrelevant to people using glp1s to no longer be fat. Are you worried you’ll run out of people to shame and belittle to boost your ego? If so, I don’t think that’s a legitimate concern.

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I have said people can lose weight with them or without them.

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Theoretically, everyone agrees with this. However, there is a large population of people that are able to do it with the assistance of glp1s that have failed to do it without. I’m sure many fail to make the dietary and lifestyle choices to make there weight loss most effective for their long term health and will revert to being unhealthy when they get off of the GLP1s. However, there are also many that will make the healthy diet and exercise decisions with the help of the glp1s.

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Guess what? It isn't. There are people who are trying to normalize pedophilia right now. Are you going to sit back and just let them do it?

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weird attempt at an analogy, but if there were a peptide that took away whatever mental defect pedos have, I would 100% support it be taken - likely even mandated.

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Where in this thread have I disparaged your precious GLP's? Show me. You are manufacturing bullshite in some bizarre manner

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Sure. You’ve been very supportive of the glps. Very bizarre of me to pretend otherwise.

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try and deflect from obese people who are not living healthy lifestyles.

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How am I deflecting? I’m speaking very directly about a peptide that is helping many of them to no longer be obese.

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I predict instead of admitting your logical fallacy, you'll double down on another one (The motte and bailey fallacy)

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Also, proven correct (see above)

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you’ll suck any dick big pharma flops in front of you

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Two things. You are entirely within a preconceived narrative. You are impervious to anything anybody says to you. Which begs the question, why are we engaging you in good faith, again?

Second, if we are "sucking off big pharma" because we think a medication has great potential to resolve out NUMBER ONE HEALTH ISSUE, aren't you "sucking off Big Food" by raging against something with no discernable evidence other than hunch that could finally push back against all the garbage they are filling the drive thrus and supermarkets up with?

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Of what relevance is this point. You are critical of GLP1s and people that use them, but since you’ve haven’t been as critical in this particular thread… then what? We have to pretend that isn’t your position?

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Are you trying to derail the thread? This is really weird. I have intentionally stayed on the actual subject matter and not done anything to change or derail the actual topic at hand. It seems like you want that for some reason? Why?

Being obese is not normal and no we should not accept it is normal nor should we coddle these people in order not to hurt their little feelings. Its no different than the folks trying to normalize men pretending to be women. There must be push back and ground rules set or you end up with a bad result.

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.5% is "very high rate"?

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It’s also worth noting that anytime you lose large amounts of weight fast, it’s very common to develop gallstones and to potentially need your gallbladder removed. Doesn’t matter the method. Hormonal changes during pregnancy and long term BC use can also cause issues with the gallbladder.