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re: 4 year long study on Wegovy/semaglutide shows heart benefits and safety
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:55 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:55 am to Robin Masters
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Just don’t try and tell me that taking a cure all will be consequences free
This is a straw man.
Literally nobody has said this.
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then tell me I’m the moron for not trusting Big Pharma.
Again, where do you attend services for your Christian Scientist religious beliefs?
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Given the last 4 years I’d say you might be bordering on the technical definition of insane.
Incoherent rambling intensifies.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:57 am to Robin Masters
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Unfortunately no one here is arguing from a stance that the benefits outweigh the potential risks.
That is literally what people are arguing, brother.
literally
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The sentiment here is that this drug is risk feee.
No that is the strawman you created and have rallied around.
I predict instead of admitting your logical fallacy, you'll double down on another one (The motte and bailey fallacy)
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Now if only they insurance approve it! 
Posted on 5/15/24 at 9:59 am to WDE24
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But if they choose to use peptide supplements to not be fat anymore and help them make better choices on what they eat, why are you against that?
Can you direct me to one post in this thread where I have said this? It doesn't exist.
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You can pretend it isn’t about your ego, but your post history makes it apparent.
So now we have gone from me supposedly thinking it is 'cheating' (which was never the case nor have I ever said that) to now my 'ego' because I have self control and self respect?
It is not normal to be obese. Being on a litany of prescription medications due to obesity also is not normal. I don't care who or what tries to tell me that it isn't going to make it true. It is abnormal behavior. The problem is we have so many of them now that people want you to think it is ok and normal. It isn't and never will be.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:00 am to PrimeTime Money
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Those people don’t eat as much as you think they do. That used to be me. I never ate particularly healthy. But I didn’t eat all that much. I may have eaten a decent amount at one sitting, so if anybody was around me they’d think I ate a lot and a lot of junk and never got fat. The truth is my overall calories for the day was not what people may have thought it was.
Then I started weight lifting and bulking up. Gained some mass, got bigger. Then I eventually stopped lifting but kept eating like I was bulking. I gained a lot of weight.
Then I got tired of being fat so I ate several hundred less calories, ate healthier food, lifted some weights, and amazingly, I’m not fat anymore.
I don’t have some unique willpower, I just decided to do what it took to get back in shape and I did it.
There are people close to me who think they are doing what it takes to lose weight, but they’re not. Plus, they don’t stick with it. So then they think they can’t lose weight and there’s some problem. There isn’t. They aren’t doing what it takes to lose weight like they think they are. Just like people may have assumed I could eat anything and not gain weight. Their perception was off.
this we agree upon. in the end, hormone imbalance or no imbalance...in the end all that matters is calories and protein. once equated, all diets are the same in terms of bodyfat loss.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:01 am to Robin Masters
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No shite. Unfortunately no one here is arguing from a stance that the benefits outweigh the potential risks. The sentiment here is that this drug is risk feee
npbody said this. we said the risk is very low, we have 2 decades of data to prove it and 40 years of research.
any severe side effects are very very low.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:01 am to Robin Masters
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The issue I have is that there will be consequences free repercussions from taking them
In other words, you think actions have consequences and there are no magic pills. I don’t think ONE person would disagree with those obvious truths.
Conceding that obvious previously- agreed upon point, can we address the much larger consequences and repercussions of NOT taking “ the magic pills”? The idea that it is even far statically better to be HIV positive and following the “ Magic pill “ protocol from a longevity perspective ( by 15 years !) than it is to have diabetes ? What are the consequences of morbid obesity? Haven’t we seen enough of that already?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:01 am to LSUfanatic
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Now if only they insurance approve it!
Insurance companies have been looking into covering it and I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened within the next year or so. The cost of the drug is heavily outweighed by the long term costs of obesity.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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Unfortunately no one here is arguing from a stance that the benefits outweigh the potential risks.
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That is literally what people are arguing, brother. literally
Yeah. No. Not at all. Quite the opposite really.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'd love to watch him tell a veteran suffering from PTSD "good luck with your magic beans"
Literally and figuratively
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:04 am to Robin Masters
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Yeah. No. Not at all. Quite the opposite really.
No. We are arguing that there’s decades of data so we already know what the consequences might be and how statistically probable they are. With that data, we are arguing that the benefits outweigh the risks.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:04 am to Lsupimp
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What are the consequences of morbid obesity? Haven’t we seen enough of that already?
Again. No one is arguing for the benefits of morbid obesity. Continuing to conflate my arguments doesn’t help your credibility.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:05 am to ronricks
quote:Why are you limiting it to this thread? You’ve consistently been critical of the medication and the people using them.
Can you direct me to one post in this thread where I have said this? It doesn't exist.
quote:We haven’t gone from anything to now your ego. My first post said it was about your ego. Pay attention.
So now we have gone from me supposedly thinking it is 'cheating' (which was never the case nor have I ever said that) to now my 'ego'
quote:I don’t know what you mean by normal, but it is really common and needs to change. GLP1s appear to be helping that.
It is not normal to be obese.
quote:And GLP1s appear to be helping with this as well.
Being on a litany of prescription medications due to obesity also is not normal.
quote:Over eating has become pretty normalized. GLP1s are helping many change this though.
It is abnormal behavior.
So what is the problem with GLP1s?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:05 am to Robin Masters
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Yeah. No. Not at all. Quite the opposite really.
You have left reality
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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You have left reality
Fresh off the heels of oxycotin and Covid vax and you’ll suck any dick big pharma flops in front of you.
If that’s reality then I’ll happily leave.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:10 am to Robin Masters
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Fresh off the heels of oxycotin and Covid vax
Again, you have left reality.
There is also nothing wrong with oxycotin, FWIW.
Addiction in the vast majority of cases is not caused by drugs. To bring this around, the same psychology often applies to food/obesity. Except starvation is a much stronger biological/evolutionary signal to our brain than any drug could ever be.
Just FWIW.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:11 am to Robin Masters
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Fresh off the heels of oxycotin and Covid vax and you’ll suck any dick big pharma flops in front of you.
What about insulin for a T1D? Are you against that peptide too because it’s manufactured by big pharma? Is every drug, supplement, etc manufactured by big industry inherently bad or not worth the risk?
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:14 am to Robin Masters
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Again. No one is arguing for the benefits of morbid obesity. Continuing to conflate my arguments doesn’t help your credibility.
Wait , wut? I gave you the completeln benefit of the doubt most honorably. I validated your point And then I asked you to really familiarize yourself with the stunning correlations between early death and obesity. I gave you the HIV with protocols vs the diabetes with protocols. One results in a normal lifespan the other takes 15 years off your life. Knowing that, why throw so much shade at a medication that’s been around forever? Is it just Big Pharma fatigue? And if so , aren’t you kind of being counterproductive and reactionary?
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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There is also nothing wrong with oxycotin, FWIW.
now that is a hell of a take.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 10:15 am to WDE24
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You’ve consistently been critical of the medication and the people using them.
Not in this thread or discussion I haven't.
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I don’t know what you mean by normal, but it is really common and needs to change.
We have 'normalized' things like obesity in this country. There are so many fatties now it is considered 'normal' and don't you dare try and shame these people.
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And GLP1s appear to be helping with this as well.
Have not made one comment to this in this thread. Certainly haven't said anything negative about them. Not sure why this narrative is continuing to be pushed in this actual discussion. I have said people can lose weight with them or without them. That is called being neutral.
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Over eating has become pretty normalized.
Guess what? It isn't. There are people who are trying to normalize pedophilia right now. Are you going to sit back and just let them do it?
Being a fat, lazy, obese, gluttonous slob is not and never will be 'normal' no matter how hard you try or want it to be so. These people should be ridiculed for the disgusting people they are.
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So what is the problem with GLP1s?
Where in this thread have I disparaged your precious GLP's? Show me. You are manufacturing bullshite in some bizarre manner to try and deflect from obese people who are not living healthy lifestyles.
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