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re: Young American Family w/Traditional Values Flees To Russia
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:30 pm to KiwiHead
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:30 pm to KiwiHead
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Don't hand me that shite Master Skywalker
Touche! I guess turnabout is fair play there. (Dammit! I was hoping for more of a Kenobi vibe, but I reckon I fell short.)
I guess I can't disagree completely with your assessment of the government and business types there. A lot of it depends on the types of business, and of course the big businessmen in Russia today are, in many cases, former party members and bigwigs who still operate on party principles. Government there, however, isn't any more corrupt than our own. It's just that there they don't attempt to conceal it and pretend that there is no intertwinement of government and business in an effort to benefit a select few in "the club". At least the government there works to protect their sovereignty and their borders.
Back to the subject though - I have no problem with a family that leaves the US to find a more suitable home in another country. They've stated their reasons for leaving, and they have left rather than stay to continually whine and complain about how unfair everything is here, and how Trump is a Nazi or Biden is a Commie. It's just a shame that all those celebrities who continually threaten (promise) to leave the country if their hated politician du jour wins election and then they never make good on that threat (promise).
Anyway, good responses and retorts to several posts. You've defended your position well and made very good points and given me a bit to think about beyond a knee-jerk reaction.
This post was edited on 4/30/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 4/30/24 at 8:55 pm to Swamp Angel
I try. If moving to Russia floats their boat so be it. But, I would caution people to beware when dealing with Russian officials and the Russian art of Mariskovka which for lack of a better definition is purposeful deception that forces you to expend untold amounts of energy and in our case money. I learned that if they told you 500,000.00 you were going to end up spending close to double that. If there was a form, it was in Cyrillic.....and we had people on staff that could read it and even those forms were deceptive. Made US forms seem straightforward.
If we had construction....forget it. You had to end up either paying independent help ....off the books and probably Vory but it would get done but by that time you were paying closer 800 K on a job that you had originally contracted out at 500K and the workmanship was less than optimal. Want help from local bureaucracy with permits, etc. Better have a native speaker that you can trust. It was so bad at one point we had an Israeli come in who spoke Russian who had been Mossad to help us navigate....good guy who told me afterwards that we were getting shookdown by the local officials in Moscow .
What started as a 3 month stint ended up being closer to 10.....learned to hate Vodka after it. Learned a lot about Russia though. Enough that I won't go back. My feelings were not necessarily out of line with the majority of western business guys who got sent there mostly English and Norwegian as well as American.
Yeah it's pretty safe to walk in downtown Moscow at 3 am ( never did it) but venture out to the more outer rings, it can get rough. Tucker Carlson's subway stop.... at least then yeah it was nice and maybe the reliability of the trains has improved but it was not unheard of to have a train stop working between stops...experienced that 2x. Lived in NYC area ( Northern NJ) for close to 20 years never had that happen to me....yeah it's not as dirty as Penn Station.
If we had construction....forget it. You had to end up either paying independent help ....off the books and probably Vory but it would get done but by that time you were paying closer 800 K on a job that you had originally contracted out at 500K and the workmanship was less than optimal. Want help from local bureaucracy with permits, etc. Better have a native speaker that you can trust. It was so bad at one point we had an Israeli come in who spoke Russian who had been Mossad to help us navigate....good guy who told me afterwards that we were getting shookdown by the local officials in Moscow .
What started as a 3 month stint ended up being closer to 10.....learned to hate Vodka after it. Learned a lot about Russia though. Enough that I won't go back. My feelings were not necessarily out of line with the majority of western business guys who got sent there mostly English and Norwegian as well as American.
Yeah it's pretty safe to walk in downtown Moscow at 3 am ( never did it) but venture out to the more outer rings, it can get rough. Tucker Carlson's subway stop.... at least then yeah it was nice and maybe the reliability of the trains has improved but it was not unheard of to have a train stop working between stops...experienced that 2x. Lived in NYC area ( Northern NJ) for close to 20 years never had that happen to me....yeah it's not as dirty as Penn Station.
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