re: Young American Family w/Traditional Values Flees To Russia

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Almost none of that land is uninhabitable.

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I assume you meant “habitable” to avoid the double-negative. Most of that land is uninhabitable.

I should count the ways. I too have spent time there in Moscow during Putin. I would rather Buenos Aires under Kirchner. For starters reliable electricity and hot water....and good produce. Produce there sucks. Wanna build something, maybe buy a house? Good luck....maybe in 15 years.

Freedom of speech or criticizing the government? You only think it is "unbearable" today in the States. There....it's not that you could lose your job, you will lose your job. Corruption. As opposed to many industrialized countries the US is not that bad if you want to do business. For the most part it's minimal. In Russia, it is the standard. Have a 6 month time line.....good call me in 12 months and let's see if it is even 60 to 70% complete. Now I could get it sped up if I want to pay double...maybe. Mexican labor > Russian labor and it isn't close.

Crime....don't think they don't have their fair share of violent crime in Moscow or St Pete. They have it. People disappear all the time. The vory have the run of the place with Putin's blessing. Cops are not necessarily your friends there either . I could go on .

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Yes. All of my rights are protected.....and freely exercised.

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KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ

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Why not just move to Northeast Mississippi?

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Fixed.

Definitely would prefer Auckland, Wellington. Christchurch or Dunedin to living in Moscow or St Petersburg or Novgorod. Hmmmm......do I want reliable services from the municipality? That I pay taxes for????? Nah I hate the paved roads, the reliable electricity, clean water ( forgot that)) and good quality food. I'd take NZ every day over Russia....or Argentina, and I like Argentina. I'd take the US everyday over all of them.

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normal healthy place to raise a family

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Low life expectancy (for males its in the late 50s)
High rates of smoking
High rates of alcoholism and drug abuse
High rates of abortion
Low rates of marriage and child birth
One of the most corrupt countries in the world
No clear and free access to own property
Hard to travel on a Russian passport


My guess is that after they get a good taste of that life, that they'll be back

Didn't NZ go full authoritarian during convid-19?

Yeah, they very well may, but they don't strike me as the drinking, smoking and murdering babies types. The rest- America doesn't lack for corruption and if you think you own your property, try not paying your property tax.

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if you think you own your property, try not paying your property tax.

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There's a big difference between paying a tax that's basically equivalent to one tenth of one percent of your land's value every year.... versus literally not having title to the property at all.

If I go buy some land in rural America, and shut the gate, and pay a few hundred dollars in taxes, no one will bother me. For years or even decades.

That's just not true in places like Russia. If the government isn't asking for their share, it's the mafia.