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Wyoming or MT in early October?

Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:42 am
Posted by GentleJackJones
Member since Mar 2019
4140 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:42 am
Weather and travel-wise, what would Jackson Hole or Missoula be like in early October? What it be worth a trip? Taking COVID out of the picture, would most things be open or would it be closed till the winter ski season? Would hiking be doable (concerned about bears with the little ones)? Fishing?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:14 am to
Jackson is still open that first week or two in October. But its area will be transitioning to off season.

Restaurants will begin to close and activities will become more limited, due to colder weather and snow. Staffing is the other issue, seasonal workers will begin to depart.

Off season shrinks every year though. It’s becoming more of a ten month a year destination.

I do like October though, it’s pretty, the weather is nice, and it’s less crowded. From walking around town on Wednesday, it feels like a normal year, but I have to assume overall business levels will be down.

This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 10:20 am
Posted by Diesel88
Wyoming
Member since Oct 2018
702 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:34 am to
quote:

Would hiking be doable (concerned about bears with the little ones)?


If you're concerned about bears, do not go to Montana.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 10:54 am to
I wouldn’t worry about bears so much. I’ve seen one black bear up close, and he ran away immediately.

That time of year they will be about to den for the winter. But it’s just not something you need to worry a lot about.

Just bring spray.

Alaska is very different, that’s a place where you need to travel in groups, and where bringing a firearm is prudent. Black bears up there are aggressive.

If you’re hunting in the lower 48, it’s a little different, because the bears may follow you to steal your kill. But short of that, just be reasonable.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 10:56 am
Posted by Diesel88
Wyoming
Member since Oct 2018
702 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Just bring spray.


Terrible advice.

If you bring bear spray, make sure you know how to use it and understand its limitations such as effective range, duration, etc. Understand the bear will typically come back so it doesn't mean you are safe after you've sprayed it. You need to evacuate that trail. There are also important things to understand about bear behavior so your know how to react. Grizzlies act differently than black bears. Know how to spot and distinguish between aggression and interest. If a bear charges, how you react depends on the type of bear. There are a lot of classes online.

Montana has a significantly higher amount of bears than Wyoming, which is why I suggested staying away from Montana if you are worried about it due to small children.

Seriously, "just bring spray" is such terrible advice to someone who is concerned about having a bear encounter.
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 11:48 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:05 pm to
I lived in Montana.
Posted by Diesel88
Wyoming
Member since Oct 2018
702 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

I lived in Montana.


Then you should know how to properly prepare someone for hiking in grizzly country.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:40 pm to
And fear mongering is useful? You’re acting like a helicopter parent.

There are what, around five fatalities a year from bear attacks?
This post was edited on 6/19/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Diesel88
Wyoming
Member since Oct 2018
702 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 1:57 pm to
quote:

And fear mongering is useful? You’re acting like a helicopter parent. There are what, around five fatalities a year from bear attacks?


It's not fear mongering. The OP specifically expressed being concerned with bear attacks. Giving them information that makes them feel more comfortable in the case of a bear encounter a) puts their mind at ease so they can enjoy the hike, b) protects the bear from being euthanized due to an aggressive encounter with an uneducated pedestrian, and c) protects the pedestrian.

Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19090 posts
Posted on 6/19/20 at 4:14 pm to
And you respond by trying to terrify him? Telling him to skip Montana altogether?

That’s counter productive, and it’s unwarranted. This isn’t Alaska. Bears are simply less aggressive, and the density is lower.

If you see a bear, it’s most likely to be near a food source. Like a dumpster, and not on a trail.
This post was edited on 6/20/20 at 1:14 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20386 posts
Posted on 6/20/20 at 7:45 am to
You need to check park closures for the year OP as already said. October is a fantastic time of year especially for locals, but many of the parks and activities start to close or have limited hours. As long as you are flexible you should have a great time, just know what’s going to be open going in. The ski resorts all close sometimes in October until Thanksgiving for ski season.

October can also be chilly, but generally very nice weather. Great time to see the fall colors and wildlife.
Posted by canyon critter
Montana
Member since Feb 2019
1116 posts
Posted on 6/20/20 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

It's not fear mongering. The OP specifically expressed being concerned with bear attacks. Giving them information that makes them feel more comfortable in the case of a bear encounter a) puts their mind at ease so they can enjoy the hike, b) protects the bear from being euthanized due to an aggressive encounter with an uneducated pedestrian, and c) protects the pedestrian.

Not to be an a-hole, but someone should not be seeking information on grizzlies on a website based on Louisiana sports. There are so many resources available online.

I live in grizzly country; I’m out in the wild nearly every other day summiting peaks and hiking in the national forests (and Glacier). My recommendation is to seek information somewhere else.
Posted by Tygra
Bee Are
Member since Jan 2008
415 posts
Posted on 6/20/20 at 4:48 pm to
I did a trip in early October 2017 Glacier NP, Yellowstone, Tetons, and stayed in Jackson Hole at the end. It snowed in Wyoming for two of the days we were there and it snowed the day before we arrived. On our way to glacier from CO, wind gusts were incredible in Wyoming 60+.

From my research early October is just before the bears go into hibernation at least grizzlies anyway. We did see a grizzly in Glacier on one of our hikes. There were berry bushes near the trail and we decided to turn around after about an hour of it not moving. I have also read since there have been less people because of COVID the bears are in areas where they usually stay away from.

As for bear spray we had some, but it would have been useless in the windy conditions we were in. That being said, I would bring the bear spray just in case as a pure act of desperation and not to be relied upon. We had a couple of bells we wore on our packs. A big danger is sneaking up on a bear so making noise is a good preventive measure.

I will say I was much closer to the grizzly in Alaska than Montana. The bear was used to humans as it was a popular fishing spot on the Kenai. Usually they go after people’s packs on the shore of the river. We wore our packs and slowly walked away yelling the slogan of, “Hey Bear!”

I think there are a few people on this board that live near there or can speak from experience. Can’t hurt to ask and as I do take message board suggestions with a grain of salt. Certainly, he will do other research as well.

If I had to choose a time to visit again, I would choose Mid September.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
25294 posts
Posted on 6/20/20 at 5:21 pm to
Ok I just booked flight to Missoula the first week of August!!!

Got a room at the St Mary Village the first night and then 2 nights at the Apgar Village Lodge.

Question/Advice: Should I stay in Whitefish for the remaining 3 nights or spend 1 or 2 nights night in Missoula?

Note - We will go from MSO directly to St Mary on Monday afternoon the first night and the flight leaves at 3PM on Sunday for this 6 night mini trip.
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