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Can anyone talk to me about Portugal?

Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:31 am
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18317 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:31 am
I've never visited Europe and I'm really wanting to take my first trip soon - say in the next year or two.

Problem is that I've got a few years before I can afford the big Europe trips that people take.

I've heard that visiting Portugal is actually really inexpensive and that it's a hidden treasure on the continent with a rich history, good food, and beautiful beaches.

What are the board's opinions on visiting Portugal? With young kids in tow? On a budget?
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 7:39 am
Posted by 13SaintTiger
Isle of Capri
Member since Sep 2011
18315 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:52 am to
quote:

Problem is that I've got a few years before I can afford the big Europe trips that people take.



Visiting Europe is not that expensive. The major costs are the flights and if you take some of the sound advice here in regards to flights you’ll find some flights relatively cheap. But once in Europe, it’s fairly inexpensive.
Posted by agreenway6
SETX
Member since Aug 2017
819 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 8:42 am to
Not worth a whole lot, but my cousin went last year and her only complaint was that drinks were served without ice. She felt like she found gold when she found a restaurant with ice water. Other than that she loved it!
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18317 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 8:54 am to
quote:

Visiting Europe is not that expensive. The major costs are the flights and if you take some of the sound advice here in regards to flights you’ll find some flights relatively cheap. But once in Europe, it’s fairly inexpensive.



Yeah bringing four makes it all the more expensive. I've done a little research for the end of May 2019 and we could fly from Atlanta to Lisbon for about $3500 total. Those are 12-15 hour flights (up to 2 layovers) that start late in the US and finish early morning in Portugal.

It looks like if I'm willing to extend the vacation a bit and spend a little more, I could fly to NYC and hang out a day or two before getting a direct to Portugal. I'd much rather a 6-8 hour flight with kids than 12-15 hours.
Posted by Jp1LSU
Fiji
Member since Oct 2005
2542 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 8:58 am to
The struggle for ice is real. Drives me crazy.
I’ve never been to Lisbon but it’s on my list. I have a friend going there next week. He spends every summer in Poland and travels around Europe a little bit each year.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:07 am to
Portugal is on my short list to go next, but given that unless you can get cheap flights for under $700 you'd be better off going else where to save money imo. I haven't seen many dirt cheap flights to Portugal for $500s or less. There's only a couple places that fly direct to Portugal.

As said, when you are actually in Europe it is generally cheaper or at the worst the same price as the USA. My sister was a stewardess and flew to Paris with her fiancé and got an Airbnb apt for $75/ night and they spent under $800 total on the trip for 5 nights.

The keys to a budget friendly European trip is cheap flights, not traveling much when in Europe between cities, and cheap lodging. The other thing that really adds up is museums and activities (obviously). For a family of 4 a museum may be $100, do that 5-6+ times and you've added almost $1000 to your trip. Those are not necessary unless it's absolutely your thing.

You can do 7-10 night trip for a family of 4 flying into Paris and out of Amsterdam hitting both cities for under $3000 total very easily.

Street food and grocery store food is generally a better quality in Europe than the USA. So you can have fun and eat well for pretty cheap.

$400-550 flights are absolutely obtainable for that time of year. Especially to Dublin, London, Amsterdam, Rome, Paris, and a handful of the other large hubs.

With kids, Dublin can be great because it's the shortest flight. East coast to Dublin is a 6.5 hr flight and they can be had routinely for sub $600.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 9:11 am
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:29 am to
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But once in Europe, it’s fairly inexpensive.

it depends on where you go. London is really expensive, as is a'dam and paris.

I am quite interested in going to check out portugal. It is often listed as a great place to retire for not that much money.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:48 am to
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it depends on where you go. London is really expensive, as is a'dam and paris.


I agree, but I don't think its fair to say it HAS to be expensive.

Last summer I stayed in a 1 bedroom flat for $200/ night in London with 2 kids. It was something like $789 total, 3 blocks from Hyde Park. You could easily stay further away for cheaper. Now hotels were double or triple that. Pubs are not that expensive IMO, pretty normal. You can do street food like good fish and chips for like $8-10. There's a lot to do there that costs a lot, and obviously its like NYC or any big city and you can spend basically as much as you want on lodging, food, etc.

Paris honestly is probably one of the best cities in the world to go and live cheaply. Sooo much amazing affordable food and sites to see, its a great city to relax. But you can also spend as much as you want on lodging and food.

I just feel like they are all very doable on a very strict budget additionally.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:50 am
Posted by harro
Member since Feb 2018
155 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:03 am to
As the previous posters have stated, the flights are the big difference. Europe is actually pretty cheap once you get the flights out of the way (minus the obvious expensive cities like Paris and London). A week in LA/San Fran or New York will cost you just as much as a week in Europe.

Portugal/Spain will be my next Europe vacation.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
29458 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:06 am to
Lots of people can talk to you about Portugal.

Post your cell phone # baw

Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Last summer I stayed in a 1 bedroom flat for $200/ night in London with 2 kids.

I would call that expensive.

quote:

I just feel like they are all very doable on a very strict budget additionally.


It depends on the budget.

Generally I prefer to visit places that are cheaper than where I live, although I have already visited Europe multiple times and hit all the big sites in western europe save Scotland.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38647 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:57 am to
Was in Lisbon and Porto last summer and it was great. Very inexpensive...not Latvia, Lithuania inexpensive though. We paid $84/ night in Lisbon for a 1 br airbnb that sleeps 4 and food/drinks were fairly cheap too. Both are beautiful cities full of old architecture. Sintra is a good day trip from Lisbon where there are some old castles. The only drawback to having kids is it is very, very hilly everywhere and you do a lot of walking.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:33 pm to
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I would call that expensive


Ha, touche ok it's not cheap. But almost anyone can afford it was my point. It's very easy to stay on a strict budget if you want to. Sure there's a lot of ways to spend big money but you don't have to or need to.

I was just trying to say that if you can get cheap airfare you can do a vacation pretty reasonably and close to not much more than the average family spends on a summer beach trip.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:47 pm to
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Problem is that I've got a few years before I can afford the big Europe trips that people take.

Not true....you just need to do more research. Go where you really want to go, don't go where you think it might be cheap. As airfare for 4 is your big expense, realize that you want to be flexible in your destination and timing to make this work on your budget.

Someone upthread mentioned Dublin as an inexpensive flight--very true. US routes to Dublin frequently go on sale. It's worth considering, if your goal is simply to get out of the USA.

Also consider going during the winter or at least shoulder season....airfares drop considerably during the off season.

Lastly, a travel rewards credit card with a fat sign up bonus can make the airfare costs drop dramatically. If you have a big spend coming up (medical, dental, home renovations, moving), consider finding a travel card w/big bonus, get the card, and profit from miles you earn by spending money you would have spent anyway. My better half's multiple eye surgeries last year netted us four free RT tix, thanks to a huge Chase Sapphire reserve signup bonus x2. It was a required spend, but leveraged into two nice trips to London and Normandy/Paris.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:23 pm to
i just got an email promoting RT fares to Europe; RT from DFW to Madrid, $448. Plenty of other cheap Euro destinations as well.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15673 posts
Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:47 pm to
Was in Portugal last month. Lisbon and Ericeira. Had a blast. Would go again. I didn’t have kids with me so can’t speak on that. It was cheap. What do you want to know specifically?

Posted by wahootiger
Member since Sep 2010
304 posts
Posted on 7/6/18 at 4:10 pm to
Portugal is dope. We did Lisbon (cascais), Porto, Douro Valley, then back to Lisbon last year.

Early 30s with no kids, so I can’t speak to that.

If you like sea food you will love the cuisine, those folks know their way around octopus and cod.

We pretty much ate, drank, and walked around and saw stuff. I thought all the restaurants were very reasonable, partly because the booze is typically way more affordable. Decent bottles of wine for around 10-15 euros, and you can get beers for typically 1-3 euros.

I’m a craft beer guy, but the fact that we have accepted 7 bucks a beer in the US is ridiculous. Nothing I love more than sitting out at a cafe, having a cheap beer or a coffee and people watching.
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