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A trip for 2 to France - how much should I budget?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:23 pm
My wife has always dreamed of going to Paris/exploring France.
I'd like to take her in a year or two, but have never left the country and have no idea where to even begin. I'll take any advice as I would like to begin planning this out far, far in advance. I'll start with the most basic of questions. For a normal couple to go for around 10-13 days, how much should I try to budget (including airfare, hotels/air bnb, travel, food, wine, souvenirs, etc.)?
I'd like to take her in a year or two, but have never left the country and have no idea where to even begin. I'll take any advice as I would like to begin planning this out far, far in advance. I'll start with the most basic of questions. For a normal couple to go for around 10-13 days, how much should I try to budget (including airfare, hotels/air bnb, travel, food, wine, souvenirs, etc.)?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:25 pm to tlsu15
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10-13 days
That's not a short trip and Paris isn't cheap. Without knowing the specifics of where else you'll be going and how many days will be spent in Paris, I'd say you're looking at at least $10k (including flights).
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:28 pm to AbitaFan08
I don't know the specifics either of where we'd like to go, but the entire trip would not be spent inside Paris.
At this point everything is still a hypothetical.
At this point everything is still a hypothetical.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:51 pm to tlsu15
Renting a car? If you used Paris as a home base and rented a car you could see a lot and probably catch a decent deal through travelzoo/priceline as well.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:05 pm to tlsu15
Also, keep an eye on the Euro. It'll cost more/less depending on the strength of the dollar vs. the Euro whenever you go. I had the misfortune of going when the Euro was at it's strongest.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:15 pm to tlsu15
Break it down like this:
Flights - you are probably looking at $1k a piece. Depending on where you are located of course, but on average assume you will spend at least $2k to get you over to France.
Hotel/Lodging - You could probably do a week in Paris (rent an apartment) and then remaining days, spent traveling around France and staying in budget hotels. Assume an apartment in Paris for a week will be maybe $2k (could be more, could be less). Apartments can save you money as you can prepare breakfasts, coffee, lunch, other meals at home. Plus there can be laundry services, which can help on a long trip.
Outside of Paris, depends on time of year and what type of lodging you want to stay in, but budget $300 a day in lodging costs (this is probably on high side, but there are 2 of you) so hostels/shared lodging probably out of the picture.
Meals/incidentals/museums - probably at least $200 a day, again high but on average, you are going to want to do things. You didnt fly to France to sit in a hotel room. Doing things costs money, so budget to spend money on front end.
So yeah $8-10K seems like a good target. Of course, many ways to do it for less or more depending on your style and travel desires.
Flights - you are probably looking at $1k a piece. Depending on where you are located of course, but on average assume you will spend at least $2k to get you over to France.
Hotel/Lodging - You could probably do a week in Paris (rent an apartment) and then remaining days, spent traveling around France and staying in budget hotels. Assume an apartment in Paris for a week will be maybe $2k (could be more, could be less). Apartments can save you money as you can prepare breakfasts, coffee, lunch, other meals at home. Plus there can be laundry services, which can help on a long trip.
Outside of Paris, depends on time of year and what type of lodging you want to stay in, but budget $300 a day in lodging costs (this is probably on high side, but there are 2 of you) so hostels/shared lodging probably out of the picture.
Meals/incidentals/museums - probably at least $200 a day, again high but on average, you are going to want to do things. You didnt fly to France to sit in a hotel room. Doing things costs money, so budget to spend money on front end.
So yeah $8-10K seems like a good target. Of course, many ways to do it for less or more depending on your style and travel desires.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:47 pm to AbitaFan08
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That's not a short trip and Paris isn't cheap. Without knowing the specifics of where else you'll be going and how many days will be spent in Paris, I'd say you're looking at at least $10k (including flights).
$10,000?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:10 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
That would be my guess, yes.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:24 pm to tlsu15
$3000 in flights (could be less)
$175 x 12 nights in lodging- $2100 (adjust up/down)
$100 per diem x 13 = $1300
You're at $6400 using my guesses and maybe layer another grand or two on top of whatever you have calculated to account for tours, transportation, souvenirs, etc, underestimation of the above.
Agree with the 8000-10,000 crowd.
$175 x 12 nights in lodging- $2100 (adjust up/down)
$100 per diem x 13 = $1300
You're at $6400 using my guesses and maybe layer another grand or two on top of whatever you have calculated to account for tours, transportation, souvenirs, etc, underestimation of the above.
Agree with the 8000-10,000 crowd.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:26 pm to Swoopin
Damn, so it's looking like everyone is guessing around $8K. That's not surprising really. I'll have to get some more tangible information on what I'm looking to do to see if that ballpark figure is realistic.
I know several people who travel to Europe for weeks at a time. Surely they aren't all dropping tens of thousands of dollars, right?
I know several people who travel to Europe for weeks at a time. Surely they aren't all dropping tens of thousands of dollars, right?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:28 pm to tlsu15
Well they are not going as a couple, they may have more income for expenses, they may do the free sight seeing stuff, dunno....
flights can be had for 1600 for 2 if you catch another deal. hotels will depend on what you want and where you want to stay.
flights can be had for 1600 for 2 if you catch another deal. hotels will depend on what you want and where you want to stay.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:29 pm to tlsu15
It can be done much cheaper, but comes with sacrifices. Staying in less highly-sought after places, snacking/groceries to cut down food costs, spending more time doing free things such as simply walking around, etc.
If your wife is go with the flow and is willing to make sacrifices you could bring it down to the $5-6K range.
If your wife is go with the flow and is willing to make sacrifices you could bring it down to the $5-6K range.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:32 pm to tlsu15
Of course not. You can find flights for 7-800 if you wait and are flexible. Use Airbnb, eat simply (buy bottles of wine, bread, cheeses charcuterie and eat meals at your place or do a picnic), etc. Unless one or both of you are high maintenance, there's no need to spend insane money.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:39 pm to OldHickory
We really aren't high maintenance as long as my wife feels safe. I can tell you right now, food is where we would want to be spending our money. My wife is a huge fan of cheeses/wine and I'm a big foodie so the trip would mostly be centered around that. I'll start doing research on exactly what/where I want to go. Any suggestions or links would be greatly appreciated.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:59 pm to tlsu15
Yeah if you're going to want to eat well there then the $100 per diem someone suggested needs to be doubled at least.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:01 pm to tlsu15
$2,000 roundtrip for 2.
If you want to travel around to another country, Ryanair is cheap as hell in Europe.
Paris is huge, there are cheap rentals and some really cheap hotels, plus Bnb just like any major cities with tons of options - depends on your comfort level and where you really want to stay in the city....buy your food at boulangeries, cheese and ham/salami shops...eat in the parks and picnic a lot.
$200 a day for two in Paris is doable...add air-fare - I don't see why you can't easily do two weeks for under $5,000 depending on how much stuff you buy to take home.
ETA: yeah, what the other poster was saying above me.
In the 90's we flew $500 roundtrip per person and had $1,000 for a week.
If you want to travel around to another country, Ryanair is cheap as hell in Europe.
Paris is huge, there are cheap rentals and some really cheap hotels, plus Bnb just like any major cities with tons of options - depends on your comfort level and where you really want to stay in the city....buy your food at boulangeries, cheese and ham/salami shops...eat in the parks and picnic a lot.
$200 a day for two in Paris is doable...add air-fare - I don't see why you can't easily do two weeks for under $5,000 depending on how much stuff you buy to take home.
ETA: yeah, what the other poster was saying above me.
In the 90's we flew $500 roundtrip per person and had $1,000 for a week.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:31 pm to tlsu15
Do NOT STAY IN HOTELS. Home Away . Com. We spent Three months in Malaga Spain, very nice apartment $44.00 per day.
Home base from your apartment in Paris, take 3-4 day trips, with just an over night suitcase
Home base from your apartment in Paris, take 3-4 day trips, with just an over night suitcase
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:16 pm to tlsu15
it also depends on time of year. try to go before or after peak season (May-August). you'll get cheaper flights and lodging and fewer humans.
you can find some extremely nice AirBnbs for under $150 a night. and very centrally located. it may be nice to stay in a hotel for a night or two as you adjust, but it's unnecessary unless you want a concierge. staying in an airbnb also allows you to get some groceries to cut expenses for a few meals, especially since you're staying so long.
you can easily do the trip in less than $6k, it's just about budgeting well and planning for a few more upscale meals and eating the rest of the meals at local cafes and such or having picnics. wine is cheap as frick there.
you can find some extremely nice AirBnbs for under $150 a night. and very centrally located. it may be nice to stay in a hotel for a night or two as you adjust, but it's unnecessary unless you want a concierge. staying in an airbnb also allows you to get some groceries to cut expenses for a few meals, especially since you're staying so long.
you can easily do the trip in less than $6k, it's just about budgeting well and planning for a few more upscale meals and eating the rest of the meals at local cafes and such or having picnics. wine is cheap as frick there.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:51 pm to tlsu15
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I know several people who travel to Europe for weeks at a time. Surely they aren't all dropping tens of thousands of dollars, right?
Correct. I believe the estimates posters have given are high. First, don't go in the summer high season when flights and lodging are expensive. Go in early may or in september. I am looking at airbnb and see several nice looking apts in central paris with good reviews for under $1000 for 1 week. We always rent apts when we travel as we get to stay in a neighborhood away from hordes of tourists and you can cook a few meals and save money. We usually eat breakfast and sometimes lunch at the apt. Then we can splurge on a nice meal every few days if we want. I will add my wife is the opposite of high maintenance....so your situation may be different.
We usually budget $150/ day lodging + $100 per day food and incidentals such as museums and bus/tram tickets and we often don't spend that much per day. We don't eat fancy but maybe once a week and we stay out of the tourists areas for food where prices will be high. Its way more fun to find a local place off the beaten path anyway. For flights, budget $1500 but you can often find cheaper. so $6500 is what I would budget for 13 days. Also, I am cheap, I rationalize I would be spending money at home to eat and drink and cool my house...I turn off the ac while we are gone. I reckon about $300-400 per week is what we spend for all that at home. And so if I want to go over budget for a nice meal, I have that savings in mind. Or you can fold that into your budget and so $6500 becomes $5900 or so. Go buy Rick Steves Europe Through the Back Door and whatever book he has on Paris. He gives all sorts of tips to save money as well as how to pack, what to expect at foreign airports and train stations.
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