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F* a soundbar, building a DIY sound system - Update pg 4 - paywalls suck

Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 1:42 pm
My sound bar just went out (for like the 3rd time in 3 years, keeps blowing the same cap, tired of fixing), so I need a new one. The room is arranged with the couch against the wall opposite the TV, so the sub can hide behind it. The sats can also possibly go behind there, but I'm not opposed to running some wire and mounting them on the wall/ceiling.

I'm not an audiophile, so not looking for anything fancy. I'm definitely not trying to spend Sonos type money. I just need better than the teensy TV speakers.

Is there a soundbar that's good enough that I don't need the sub and sats? Probably the only "extra" feature I'd be interested in if the price is right is if it was networked and if the sats were PoE capable. I have zero experience with Sonos, and I haven't even researched what they can do, but maybe that's exactly what I want except without paying the price.

But I would be perfectly happy with just a plain no-frills bar.


Any suggestions on where to start my research? Or anything I should absolutely avoid?
This post was edited on 7/27/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted by BAMBAM
Biloxi, MS
Member since Mar 2008
2364 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:12 pm to
Will need a budget...

Is the tv wall mounted or not?

If it’s not you could do a tv base. I had a zvox tv base that I had for a while that was great for general tv watching
Posted by SG_Geaux
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:13 pm to
Here you go.

quote:

'm not an audiophile, so not looking for anything fancy.


Oops nevermind.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:28 pm to
I have a Klipsch sound bar with wireless sub. Love it.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28697 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:32 pm to
quote:

Will need a budget...
Flexible. I'd hate to set a hard limit if there's a better value above it, but if pressed I would say $500 is pushing it. But of course, the cheaper the better. For comparison, my old setup was ~$250 and I was happy with it.
quote:

Is the tv wall mounted or not?
Yes. And I know a lot of people hate this but it's above the fireplace so the bar can sit on the mantel.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28697 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

Here you go.
quote:

I'm not an audiophile, so not looking for anything fancy.
Oops nevermind.
Yeah I'd rather if the sound cost less than the TV.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28697 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

I have a Klipsch sound bar with wireless sub. Love it.
Something like this?


I should probably mention that the room is 16x26x10, walls all around except for 8ft opening to kitchen.
Posted by Brisketeer
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:47 pm to
Here is a closeout on a soundbar with built-in subwoofer. I've never heard it, but Focal is a very respected brand.

Focal Dimension
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 2:57 pm to
LINK

I have this....it's Energy, but Klipsch makes them. I forgot I had Energy, and my dad has Klipsch. he's the one that recommended them to me. Got mine @ Best Buy.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23619 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:11 pm to
I got this Vizio soundbar with the slim subwoofer for my bedroom and it sounds great. Put the sub behind the dresser. Huge step up from TV speakers but not too expensive. Ran a digital fiber line to the TV. Easy setup, good sound.
This post was edited on 4/27/20 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28697 posts
Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:14 pm to
Looks like one hell of a deal!
Posted by kanibal
Member since Dec 2007
360 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:23 am to
You don't want that soundbar. Get something that isn't 10 year old technology. If your soundbar is going to run your TV then look for 4k pass through, HDR, and Atmos.

This is the future of audio and video.
Posted by cberni1
Metry
Member since Jun 2012
528 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:42 am to
I got the Yamaha YAS-207 a few years ago and i really like it for the money. Movies have an almost theatre like sound with good bass tones and pretty impressive surround sound. Since i'm not expert, the review I like most for this product when researching is below. I'd highly recommend.

The only issue i tend to have is the sub will lose its bluetooth connection sometimes but I expect that with bluetooth and i simply unplug the sub and power back on. Connects back everytime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwPsvO26TpI
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:44 am
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24832 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Flexible. I'd hate to set a hard limit if there's a better value above it, but if pressed I would say $500 is pushing it. But of course, the cheaper the better. For comparison, my old setup was ~$250 and I was happy with it.


If you are a vet or know someone who can buy from AAFES, the PX has Sonos on sale for 499.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25375 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 10:06 am to
Check out the Nakamichi Shockwafe soundbar system.

Bought this around christmas time and really like it. Wish the rear speakers dind't have to wire up to the sub, but every system is this way, except Sonos i guess, but that crap is overpriced for what it does if you ask me.

This one easily hooked up to my tv and controlled by my tv remote. I really like how i can adjust the level of the rear speakers and the sub very easily, and it has different quick setting buttons to adjust to what your watching. I've noticed if i hit the TV setting, i can hear the talking better and the action isn't as loud, as i'm watching movies. Put it on full Dolby movie setting and it will blow you away. My living room is huge, and has cathedral ceilings 25 feet high, and it sounds great. Had a few issues with static on the rear speakers but it appeared to be an issue with the bluetooth communication from the soundbar to the sub, and my wireless connections of the tv and nearby devices to my router. I think the bar/sub was using 5gh, so i changed the tv and my phone to 2.4gh and haven't had the static again.


Posted by Stexas
SWLA
Member since May 2013
5992 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 12:21 pm to
I've been looking at the Yamaha sound bars for quite a while. I've been impressed with the older ones we have in our conference rooms at the office. Thanks for the recommendation I'm going to pull the trigger on the YAS-209.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81590 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 1:24 pm to
Read the reviews on Vizio. They are fantastic and set up easy with just about any remote.
Posted by jojothetireguy
Live out in Coconut Grove
Member since Jan 2009
10484 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:09 pm to
I bought the definitive technology micro a while back. It sounds excellent and have the ability to add the w7 speakers later on is a plus.
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11423 posts
Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:38 am to


quote:

You don't want that soundbar. Get something that isn't 10 year old technology. If your soundbar is going to run your TV then look for 4k pass through, HDR, and Atmos.



Ignore this statement.




quote:

This is the future of audio and video



Wrong.


Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28697 posts
Posted on 6/24/20 at 4:51 pm to
Thanks for all the recs, but I'm taking this in a new direction now.

I ended up buying a soundbar + wireless sub, but it had a critical flaw for me. It has a power save feature that turns itself off after 15 minutes of no audio, and no way to disable it. The majority of our TV use is my two young kids watching stuff via Roku, so everything needs to work with that one remote (it has TV volume and power buttons, but doesn't control soundbars). It all works fine via HDMI ARC, so the TV speakers are off and the Roku->volume controls adjust the soundbar this way. Problem is the kids tend to pause for long periods, then when they return the soundbar has gone to sleep with only two ways to turn it on: the soundbar's own remote (shitty), or power cycle the TV (shittier). And it's a 10 second wait for sound after that. It's just awful, and I don't understand why any manufacturer would add such a feature with no way to disable it. After stumbling across this feature which is only disclosed in one sentence in the manual, I started digging through negative reviews of other soundbars and it seems many of them do this. Or it seems that all of them have some other serious flaw like the sub disconnects often or some other stupid thing.

So then I moved on to looking at receivers instead, but the problem there is they are all 12+ inches deep, and my TV is mounted in the taboo location above the fireplace (honestly the only place it can go in this room), and the mantel is only 11" deep. Amps are smaller, but there are not many options.


So now I'm in pissed off geek mode, and I have decided to build my own amp using a Raspberry Pi with a HiFiBerry Amp2 and an Audio Injector. Then I can add a couple bookshelf speakers, and I think it will sound better than any soundbar. The TV volume controls should adjust the volume that it outputs to the RCA audio jacks, right? If not, I can add an IR receiver to my Pi and set it to work on the same codes as the TV and adjust volume that way. Hopefully there is no audio lag.


I'll bump again when I'm finished to report how well it works and the total cost.
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