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Your arguments for no ISP choice are invalid. Also electric company analogy is wrong
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:37 pm
The vast majority of the country has access to 3 or more ISPs, and this is improving all the time. Fastest speeds? Not yet. But the best way to keep it slow is to keep title 2.
Second point: the electric company analogies all of you like to throw out are so flawed as to be completely unusable. There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from. There aren't 3 or more companies for most of the country offering electricity. There is one. It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through.
This is NOT HOW DATA WORKS. I can get data through satellite, phone network, or cable network. There are options and they directly compete. There are other options on the horizon like fiber, and likely others.
But all of that gets stifled with title 2. YES. It is obviously possible that ISPs will throttle some sites in the future. It's probable at least one ISP will attempt to offer this. And you know what? You'll have a choice between that ISP and another one that doesn't. Maybe that ISP offers a cheaper package and you're paying 50% what you do now and you don't see any difference because you didn't use the other site(s) anyway. The way people demand a la carte cable channels now.
The free market will provide the best product for the best price. I'm not a libertarian and I make fun of them here but the idea is right in this case. This regulation is an innovation killer.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:49 pm to cokebottleag
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There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from.
Electric, Gas, Solar.
fricking retarded.
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It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through.
Your literally too stupid to have this conversion with. Should of thought better then to post this.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:50 pm to cokebottleag
100 dollars a month for 90 gigs of capped data from a satellite company with spotty service, a slow DSL connection, or niche wireless companies piggy-backing off the big boys is not serious competition for the near monopolies in most regions of the country.
The energy analogy is used to illustrate two things, 1.) the absurdity of having limited, non-competitive choice. Afterall, you can spend money to have solar panels installed, invest in heating oil, or build a fire. but no reasonable person would consider it universally available and viable competition. 2.) it is used to illustrate what net neutrality would look like in another context to drive home the point more clearly. Like allowing your energy company to decide they will not give full power or gas to appliances that haven't payed them fast lane service. So that Samsung drier you bought will not receive full power, that new stove will only heat up to low...Unless you use the products they are paid a fee for.
You stole that photo from me but forgot to include the preface I made. Which is that it focuses solely on census blocks. So as long as that service is available to some residents, in constitutes as all of them in that chart. But as anyone in most areas knows, your person down the street may have infrastructure for Cox, ATT, and have a house facing the right way for satellite, but Jimbo down the street doesnt have infrastructure for ATT and his home can't get satellite.
The energy analogy is used to illustrate two things, 1.) the absurdity of having limited, non-competitive choice. Afterall, you can spend money to have solar panels installed, invest in heating oil, or build a fire. but no reasonable person would consider it universally available and viable competition. 2.) it is used to illustrate what net neutrality would look like in another context to drive home the point more clearly. Like allowing your energy company to decide they will not give full power or gas to appliances that haven't payed them fast lane service. So that Samsung drier you bought will not receive full power, that new stove will only heat up to low...Unless you use the products they are paid a fee for.
You stole that photo from me but forgot to include the preface I made. Which is that it focuses solely on census blocks. So as long as that service is available to some residents, in constitutes as all of them in that chart. But as anyone in most areas knows, your person down the street may have infrastructure for Cox, ATT, and have a house facing the right way for satellite, but Jimbo down the street doesnt have infrastructure for ATT and his home can't get satellite.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:51 pm to cokebottleag
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the electric company analogies all of you like to throw out are so flawed as to be completely unusable. There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from. There aren't 3 or more companies for most of the country offering electricity. There is one. It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through.
How is the data I processed viewing this site or any other site any different to what you're looking at? We might download different sizes of data, but data is just that: all of it should be treated the same.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:53 pm to cokebottleag
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The vast majority of the country has access to 3 or more ISPs,
I live in metro Atlanta and I have two options. Comcast and AT&T. Where is this third option?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:54 pm to bonhoeffer45
Absolutely did not steal it from you. I didn't jump into a 500 reply thread and dig up your graphic.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:00 pm to rocket31
I love these guys who have no idea how technology works.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:01 pm to cokebottleag
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Absolutely did not steal it from you. I didn't jump into a 500 reply thread and dig up your graphic.
Ok pal.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:02 pm to StraightCashHomey21
indeed, i think coke is pretty young too so no excuses
the others are old, senile, and losing their minds so that explains a lot of it
the others are old, senile, and losing their minds so that explains a lot of it
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:03 pm to Breesus
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Your literally too stupid
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 pm to rocket31
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indeed, i think coke is pretty young too so no excuses
Some of the most clueless people I trouble shoot are under 35.
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the others are old, senile, and losing their minds so that explains a lot of it
Yea just out of touch completely
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:17 pm to cokebottleag
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:25 pm to cokebottleag
Anyone wanting to repeal net neutrality is a fool, unless they work for an ISP. The only way I may be okay with this would be if they treated cable lines like phone lines and open them up for any company to use. Then you’d have true competition. As is, the infrastructure is too expensive for multiple ISPs to install and you will only have one or two options.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:36 pm to Breesus
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Electric, Gas, Solar.
Electric is a "type" of electricity?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:56 pm to cokebottleag
Electric companies also provide preferential service to certain companies. I don’t understand why people think labeling it as a utility prevents preferences from being handed out.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:22 pm to cokebottleag
You can live a life 100% off the grid and never pay any taxes in this country
People actually do this
You do not have a right to all these things people are fussing over
Get a job and pay for it or move out into the back country and shut the frick up
People actually do this
You do not have a right to all these things people are fussing over
Get a job and pay for it or move out into the back country and shut the frick up
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:31 pm to Breesus
Lol
I doubt you even realize how silly your comparison is.
You must have been staring into a mirror for the second part of your post.
I doubt you even realize how silly your comparison is.
You must have been staring into a mirror for the second part of your post.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:34 pm to cokebottleag
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I can get data through satellite, phone network, or cable network. There are options and they directly compete. There are other options on the horizon like fiber, and likely others.
You are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.
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