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Your arguments for no ISP choice are invalid. Also electric company analogy is wrong

Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:37 pm
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:37 pm


The vast majority of the country has access to 3 or more ISPs, and this is improving all the time. Fastest speeds? Not yet. But the best way to keep it slow is to keep title 2.

Second point: the electric company analogies all of you like to throw out are so flawed as to be completely unusable. There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from. There aren't 3 or more companies for most of the country offering electricity. There is one. It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through.

This is NOT HOW DATA WORKS. I can get data through satellite, phone network, or cable network. There are options and they directly compete. There are other options on the horizon like fiber, and likely others.

But all of that gets stifled with title 2. YES. It is obviously possible that ISPs will throttle some sites in the future. It's probable at least one ISP will attempt to offer this. And you know what? You'll have a choice between that ISP and another one that doesn't. Maybe that ISP offers a cheaper package and you're paying 50% what you do now and you don't see any difference because you didn't use the other site(s) anyway. The way people demand a la carte cable channels now.

The free market will provide the best product for the best price. I'm not a libertarian and I make fun of them here but the idea is right in this case. This regulation is an innovation killer.
Posted by FinebaumsHair
Monroe, La
Member since Aug 2017
3001 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:48 pm to
What the holy frick?
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:49 pm to
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There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from. 


Electric, Gas, Solar.

fricking retarded.

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It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through. 


Your literally too stupid to have this conversion with. Should of thought better then to post this.
This post was edited on 11/22/17 at 9:51 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:50 pm to
100 dollars a month for 90 gigs of capped data from a satellite company with spotty service, a slow DSL connection, or niche wireless companies piggy-backing off the big boys is not serious competition for the near monopolies in most regions of the country.

The energy analogy is used to illustrate two things, 1.) the absurdity of having limited, non-competitive choice. Afterall, you can spend money to have solar panels installed, invest in heating oil, or build a fire. but no reasonable person would consider it universally available and viable competition. 2.) it is used to illustrate what net neutrality would look like in another context to drive home the point more clearly. Like allowing your energy company to decide they will not give full power or gas to appliances that haven't payed them fast lane service. So that Samsung drier you bought will not receive full power, that new stove will only heat up to low...Unless you use the products they are paid a fee for.

You stole that photo from me but forgot to include the preface I made. Which is that it focuses solely on census blocks. So as long as that service is available to some residents, in constitutes as all of them in that chart. But as anyone in most areas knows, your person down the street may have infrastructure for Cox, ATT, and have a house facing the right way for satellite, but Jimbo down the street doesnt have infrastructure for ATT and his home can't get satellite.
Posted by rpr4695
Member since May 2013
2093 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:51 pm to
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the electric company analogies all of you like to throw out are so flawed as to be completely unusable. There are not 3 different types of electricity possible to choose from. There aren't 3 or more companies for most of the country offering electricity. There is one. It's a state monopoly wherever you are. There is only one grid capable of running power through.



How is the data I processed viewing this site or any other site any different to what you're looking at? We might download different sizes of data, but data is just that: all of it should be treated the same.
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:53 pm to
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The vast majority of the country has access to 3 or more ISPs,


I live in metro Atlanta and I have two options. Comcast and AT&T. Where is this third option?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:54 pm to
Absolutely did not steal it from you. I didn't jump into a 500 reply thread and dig up your graphic.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 9:57 pm to
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cokebottleag

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:00 pm to
I love these guys who have no idea how technology works.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:01 pm to
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Absolutely did not steal it from you. I didn't jump into a 500 reply thread and dig up your graphic.




Ok pal.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:02 pm to
indeed, i think coke is pretty young too so no excuses

the others are old, senile, and losing their minds so that explains a lot of it
Posted by landhawg
Member since Feb 2012
587 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:03 pm to
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Your literally too stupid

Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125393 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:06 pm to
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indeed, i think coke is pretty young too so no excuses



Some of the most clueless people I trouble shoot are under 35.
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the others are old, senile, and losing their minds so that explains a lot of it



Yea just out of touch completely
Posted by culsutiger
Member since Apr 2012
652 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:17 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 11:29 pm
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:25 pm to
Anyone wanting to repeal net neutrality is a fool, unless they work for an ISP. The only way I may be okay with this would be if they treated cable lines like phone lines and open them up for any company to use. Then you’d have true competition. As is, the infrastructure is too expensive for multiple ISPs to install and you will only have one or two options.
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
19053 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:36 pm to
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Electric, Gas, Solar.

Electric is a "type" of electricity?
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27816 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 10:56 pm to
Electric companies also provide preferential service to certain companies. I don’t understand why people think labeling it as a utility prevents preferences from being handed out.
Posted by Giant Leaf
On Leaf
Member since Nov 2015
4229 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:22 pm to
You can live a life 100% off the grid and never pay any taxes in this country

People actually do this

You do not have a right to all these things people are fussing over

Get a job and pay for it or move out into the back country and shut the frick up
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:31 pm to
Lol

I doubt you even realize how silly your comparison is.


You must have been staring into a mirror for the second part of your post.

Posted by GoTig3rz1
Member since Nov 2017
92 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 11:34 pm to
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I can get data through satellite, phone network, or cable network. There are options and they directly compete. There are other options on the horizon like fiber, and likely others.


You are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.
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