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WTF: “If you have a long rifle or you have a military vehicle, it looks bad,
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:09 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:09 am
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Trump executive order fails to boost flow of military gear to local police departments
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This is apparently the type of Cops in Cali:
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“If you have a long rifle or you have a military vehicle, it looks bad,” said Sgt. Stephen Wells, a spokesman for the Kern County Sheriff’s Office in California, which ordered about 90 military items from the Pentagon in 2015 but only one last year. “We’re not an occupying force.”
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The amount of surplus military equipment sent to local police departments across the nation has sharply declined in recent months despite an executive order President Trump signed that was intended to increase those transfers, a USA TODAY analysis has found.
Shipments of military gear in the first three months of 2018 fell by half compared with the same period last year, Department of Defense data show. The amount of armored vehicles, high-caliber rifles and other equipment measured by dollar value also slid.
Trump’s executive order, signed last August, rescinded limits imposed on the program by the Obama administration after the battlefield-style response to the Ferguson, Mo., riots in 2014 caused an uproar. Some police officials said they are approaching the program cautiously despite robust support from Trump.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:11 am to KeyserSoze999
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“We’re not an occupying force.”
Did he say when they plan on leaving?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:12 am to KeyserSoze999
They do not need this gear, it's not necessary for their jobs, and they dont earn the right to use it.
I.e. the flashbang into the babies crib. If you want to load out and kick down doors head to Afghan or Syria, we dont need our citizens doing it here though
I.e. the flashbang into the babies crib. If you want to load out and kick down doors head to Afghan or Syria, we dont need our citizens doing it here though
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:13 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:12 am to KeyserSoze999
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“If you have a long rifle or you have a military vehicle, it looks bad,” said Sgt. Stephen Wells, a spokesman for the Kern County Sheriff’s Office in California, which ordered about 90 military items from the Pentagon in 2015 but only one last year. “We’re not an occupying force.”
Wait, are you disagreeing with that statement? Because that’s one of the most refreshing things I’ve heard from law enforcement in quite some time.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:13 am to KeyserSoze999
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Trump executive order fails to boost flow of military gear to local police departments
Good.
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which ordered about 90 military items from the Pentagon in 2015 but only one last year.
Well yeah. Why would they need to keep ordering more equipment if they already have the equipment?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:14 am to KeyserSoze999
I mean, it does look pretty awful.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:14 am to Joshjrn
yes I think its quite pussified
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:14 am to KeyserSoze999
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an executive order President Trump signed that was intended to increase those transfers
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Trump’s executive order, signed last August, rescinded limits imposed on the program by the Obama administration
Rescinding limits = intent to increase?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:15 am to KeyserSoze999
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KeyserSoze999
So what exactly is your complaint?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:16 am to KeyserSoze999
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yes I think its quite pussified
Yeah we need to militarize the police force more
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:16 am to KeyserSoze999
All this tells me is that they ordered everything they wanted already, and then the Obama administration slaped some window dressing after Ferguson. Now with the window dressing removed, turns out they don’t actually need any more anyway.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:16 am to Powerman
I guess he is arguing for greater militarization of local police
which is really, really odd to me
which is really, really odd to me
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:16 am to KeyserSoze999
Of course they are not an occupying force. That is reserved for the hoards of Central Americans.
And no long rifles or military vehicles? How soon do they forget:
LINK
And no long rifles or military vehicles? How soon do they forget:
LINK
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:19 am to CleverUserName
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That is reserved for the hoards of Central Americans.
true dat
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:21 am to Salmon
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I guess he is arguing for greater militarization of local police
no I'm not, I just think its a shame when the show of force somehow offends the effeminate types
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:21 am to KeyserSoze999
I tend to agree with the libertarians that a militarized general police force is a bad thing, overall.
On the other hand, I'm a small town white boy with limited frame of reference as to the demands of urban policing. A lot of this shock and outrage comes from the imagery following the Boston bombing - but keep in mind, this was a terrorist act - conducted by foreign born and influenced Muslim extremists - in addition to the fatal bombing, they also killed a cop during the manhunt.
That was going to be an "all hands" tactical squad operation, regardless. We've also seen militarization in response to BLM and Antifa rallies - and rightfully so, as some of these events have also escalated (cops were even targeted at one event in Dallas).
So, while I would like to see the days of Sheriff Andy Taylor patrolling Mayberry with no gun, that's just not reality in 2018.
Ending the War on Drugs(tm) would reduce, but not eliminate, the requirement to have a sharp edged tactical response to evil doers.
The "real" libertarian question in my mind is - are we going to let them disarm us all the while they are arming up for Mogadishu style engagements here?
On the other hand, I'm a small town white boy with limited frame of reference as to the demands of urban policing. A lot of this shock and outrage comes from the imagery following the Boston bombing - but keep in mind, this was a terrorist act - conducted by foreign born and influenced Muslim extremists - in addition to the fatal bombing, they also killed a cop during the manhunt.
That was going to be an "all hands" tactical squad operation, regardless. We've also seen militarization in response to BLM and Antifa rallies - and rightfully so, as some of these events have also escalated (cops were even targeted at one event in Dallas).
So, while I would like to see the days of Sheriff Andy Taylor patrolling Mayberry with no gun, that's just not reality in 2018.
Ending the War on Drugs(tm) would reduce, but not eliminate, the requirement to have a sharp edged tactical response to evil doers.
The "real" libertarian question in my mind is - are we going to let them disarm us all the while they are arming up for Mogadishu style engagements here?
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:22 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:31 am to Ace Midnight
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I tend to agree with the libertarians that a militarized general police force is a bad thing, overall.
On the other hand, I'm a small town white boy with limited frame of reference as to the demands of urban policing. A lot of this shock and outrage comes from the imagery following the Boston bombing - but keep in mind, this was a terrorist act - conducted by foreign born and influenced Muslim extremists - in addition to the fatal bombing, they also killed a cop during the manhunt.
That was going to be an "all hands" tactical squad operation, regardless. We've also seen militarization in response to BLM and Antifa rallies - and rightfully so, as some of these events have also escalated (cops were even targeted at one event in Dallas).
I don't think any reasonable person can argue that there are times when it is necessary to have a tactical response from law enforcement.
However, these departments get these "toys" and want to use these "toys," or maybe NEED to use them in order to justify having them. That's when you get the use of SWAT teams to serve search warrants on non-violent offenders. SWAT teams using forced entry on no-knock warrants, where they sometimes get the wrong address.
That's where I, and I'm sure many others, have a problem with it.
You can also toss in having many cops being former military, which many have probably seen active duty considering we've been in one war or another for nigh two decades now, on top of having that equipment and those use of tactics. Could make for a bad recipe for citizens.
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Ending the War on Drugs(tm) would reduce, but not eliminate, the requirement to have a sharp edged tactical response to evil doers.
The "real" libertarian question in my mind is - are we going to let them disarm us all the while they are arming up for Mogadishu style engagements here?
Agreed.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 8:32 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:32 am to Jcorye1
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it does look pretty awful.
Pink paint.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:52 am to Sasquatch Smash
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However, these departments get these "toys" and want to use these "toys," or maybe NEED to use them in order to justify having them. That's when you get the use of SWAT teams to serve search warrants on non-violent offenders. SWAT teams using forced entry on no-knock warrants, where they sometimes get the wrong address. That's where I, and I'm sure many others, have a problem with it.
There is no question that these larger departments with well-equipped response teams/"high risk" warrant teams, etc., have a difficult time with restraint. Hell, they're following the Feds' lead going back to at least Ruby Ridge and Waco.
It wasn't that long ago that cops needed the citizens and/or "real" military to handle relatively modest threats (Whitman in Austin, Essex in New Orleans). Then the rise of the high profile LAPD SWAT team (using weapons and tactics of the Vietnam War) changed a lot of that around the country.
If the departments used "restraint" - then folks wouldn't have as big a problem, IMHO. But, they can't help themselves as you suggest.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:56 am to KeyserSoze999
I agree with him. No need for cops to have that shite.
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