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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:14 am to LSUzealot
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:14 am to LSUzealot
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how can I give a private tip on a license plate of someone who I think is selling crack in NOLA?
Call NOPD and ask for someone on their street level narcotics unit.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:18 am to theenemy
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Call NOPD and ask for someone on their street level narcotics unit.
Not always good. Not too long ago the main Coke distribution in NOLA was being ran by a NOPS officer.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:19 am to Napoleon
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And for life? No, but rather than locking them in a jail where the drugs are easily available, put them in treatment.
Addicts don't stop until they want to stop and even then many can't or won't.
Most 1st time offenders don't go to prison. They go to a diversion and receive treatment.
Very few people go to prison for possession charges on their 1st or 2nd offense.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:22 am to Napoleon
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Not too long ago the main Coke distribution in NOLA was being ran by a NOPS officer
I know....but in NOLA there is not really an alternative.
Street level narcotics is usually handled by the local agency.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:29 am to theenemy
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Most 1st time offenders don't go to prison. They go to a diversion and receive treatment.
The treatment one goes through during PTI is a fricking joke. It's basically a dare class.
Addicts need intensive in-patient treatment for a minimum of 30 days to even begin to have a chance. That's 30 days after the 7-14 day detox period.
Going to a class one day a week for an hour to listen to a man tell you to "just say no" doesn't cut it. These PTI programs don't care a single solitary shite about getting addicts clean. The program only exists because they make more money from it than they do locking people up.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:33 am to CottonWasKing
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The program only exists because they make more money from it than they do locking people up.
That is the only reason. I have a friend about to get out of a program now. But honestly I think his six months in jail and rehab will help him.
He had a string of possesion charges. Had drug court, failed a drug test for synthetic weed while it was legal. Failed a drug test for LEGAL kratom.
His last 18 months on drug court are wiped, and after serving the six months for failing the tests for legal substances. He has to do the 24 months of drug court again. Paying every month and for every drug test.
He was actually trying, but using substitutions. Now I think he may be clean. But he will be in debt forever.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 3:37 am to Napoleon
Unless he is going to an actual rehab it won't help at all. It takes intensive therapy and counseling to fix the mind of an addict and quite frankly the state doesn't give a shite about providing it.
Maybe his time in jail will make him reevaluate his life and actually give him the want to get better but unless he seeks therapy on his own once out he more than likely won't stay sober.
There is a difference in clean and sober. There a shite ton of "dry" addicts wandering around just waiting on a relapse.
Maybe his time in jail will make him reevaluate his life and actually give him the want to get better but unless he seeks therapy on his own once out he more than likely won't stay sober.
There is a difference in clean and sober. There a shite ton of "dry" addicts wandering around just waiting on a relapse.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 5:10 am to theenemy
quote:Simply not true. They go into drug court which is designed for people to fail. Then after a failed or missed drug screen or two, they are violated and sent to jail. Jails are full of them.
Most 1st time offenders don't go to prison. They go to a diversion and receive treatment. Very few people go to prison for possession charges on their 1st or 2nd offense.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 6:07 am to volforever
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If people want to kill themselves with drugs, let them! it is their right to kill themselves!
Posted on 2/3/14 at 6:55 am to weagle99
People that abuse drugs more than likely wouldn't suddenly start increasing the dosage of the drug/s they've been abusing and people who haven't been abusing them aren't going to suddenly say to themselves, "hey, I sure am glad the price of heroin dropped and the quality improved after they had that vote. I'm now legal to lock and load, so pass me that rig and spoon".
Abusing drugs will never be a wise choice. So I'm going to say NO. It wouldn't increase the amount of stupid or the frequency of overdoses as a result of stupid choices. Just my opinion.
Abusing drugs will never be a wise choice. So I'm going to say NO. It wouldn't increase the amount of stupid or the frequency of overdoses as a result of stupid choices. Just my opinion.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 7:22 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 7:43 am to Porky
When I left this thread last night, it was on page 11 I think. Holy crap. 
Posted on 2/3/14 at 8:06 am to Patrick O Rly
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When I left this thread last night, it was on page 11 I think. Holy crap.
No kidding...
Re: Talking Heads...I like.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 8:36 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 8:54 am to Porky
They're a band I've known about for a while but didn't pay much attention to. I watched that movie True Story with friends about 10 years ago, and I really liked the music in it, especially Wild Wild Life.
So that song came to my mind for some reason a couple of weeks ago, so I looked it up and saw all of their albums were posted in full on youtube. So I've been listening to a couple of them during the day while I'm getting stuff done. They're quickly becoming my favorite band. I can't believe the quality of the music.
So that song came to my mind for some reason a couple of weeks ago, so I looked it up and saw all of their albums were posted in full on youtube. So I've been listening to a couple of them during the day while I'm getting stuff done. They're quickly becoming my favorite band. I can't believe the quality of the music.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 8:57 am to weagle99
Do people OD on legally prescribed medications?
Now, imagine if "recreational drugs" were legal.
Now, imagine if "recreational drugs" were legal.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:05 am to udtiger
The reason I don't do heroin is because it's heroin. It has nothing to do with the fact that it's illegal.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:06 am to Patrick O Rly
I apologize for getting off topic but David Byrne is a musical genius. He's very creative. I remember a performance he did for Austin City Limits a few years back that was phenomenal. I've been listening to them off and on since before "Stop Making Sense" came out but I haven't seen "True Stories". I'll check it out. 
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:09 am to udtiger
Doctors regularly prescribe truly insane amounts of mind-altering prescription drugs to people, oftentimes drugs with very serious potential for overdose. It's also a kind of class privilege. If you live in the hood, good luck getting prescribed a legal cocktail which includes xanax, valium, klonopin, adderall, ambien, and percocet. But it's basically a side perk of being a Hollywood actress or a hedge fund manager. That's not to say that popping pills isn't big in lower-income communities, but it usually invites much more personal risk and difficulty. (pill shops in florida notwithstanding, but i imagine that's been cleaned up... right?)
Also, where do people get this notion that a stint in prison will help turn the addict's life around? Is there any data that reflects this? Despite being the world's biggest jailer -- which means we're going beyond true sociopaths, at least compared to the rest of the world -- our recidivism rates are terrible. Addicts are sick and extremely unstable. By stripping of them of any dignity, breaking up their families and throwing them into an environment that's literally saturated with crime (oftentimes real crime), they're undergoing a kind of psychological and (sometimes) physical torture that does irreparable harm to the human psyche.
Also, where do people get this notion that a stint in prison will help turn the addict's life around? Is there any data that reflects this? Despite being the world's biggest jailer -- which means we're going beyond true sociopaths, at least compared to the rest of the world -- our recidivism rates are terrible. Addicts are sick and extremely unstable. By stripping of them of any dignity, breaking up their families and throwing them into an environment that's literally saturated with crime (oftentimes real crime), they're undergoing a kind of psychological and (sometimes) physical torture that does irreparable harm to the human psyche.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 9:12 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 9:11 am to udtiger
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Do people OD on legally prescribed medications? Now, imagine if "recreational drugs" were legal.
You see a lot fewer ODs in a population that use Oxycodone than you do in a population that uses Heroin.
People OD on alcohol as well but it's still a hell of a lot safer to drink Makers Mark than it is to sip a jar of shine that Cletus made.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:11 am to todospm
quote:I do volunteer work in prisons. Never met an addict that was in prison for being an addict. Met a bunch of addicts that did illegal stuff that got them put there. Not sure who would say that prison is going to turn an addicts life around unless the addict wants to change.
Also, where do people get this notion that a stint in prison will help turn the addict's life around?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 10:15 am to Diamondawg
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Never met an addict that was in prison for being an addict. Met a bunch of addicts that did illegal stuff that got them put there.
Addiction and criminality are like peanut butter and jelly.
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