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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:15 am to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:15 am to SpidermanTUba
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You had to type in an email address to use this website.
You do realize undercover cops have to identify themselves in court.
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:17 am to theenemy
A thought on the Forbes article about abuse going down by half in Portugal after decriminalization?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:18 am to theenemy
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You do realize undercover cops have to identify themselves in court.
And that means they should go around identifying themselves everywhere else, too? Not too "undercover" anymore at that point.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:21 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:21 am to lsutothetop
Why don't you kiss off.
Only a weak punk does drugs or advocates for drug legalization.
You idiot libs want the soap box to yourselves, which is why you try and shout down others who speak, well punks will never intimidate me.
Only a weak punk does drugs or advocates for drug legalization.
You idiot libs want the soap box to yourselves, which is why you try and shout down others who speak, well punks will never intimidate me.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:22 am to SpidermanTUba
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And that means they should go around identifying themselves everywhere else, too? Not too "undercover" anymore at that point.
Would run out of Undercover agents if we did that.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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which is why you try and shout down others who speak, well punks will never intimidate me.
I think you're the one that is shouting.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:23 am to SpidermanTUba
I think the undercover thing has played itself out.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:27 am to theenemy
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Would run out of Undercover agents if we did that.
Well dude, you know a Td.com admin can get the IP address you're posting from if they want? That's how they are so good at purging "alters". (That and they have an uncanny ability to figure out who Tuba is!!!)
Just sayin' man - a lot of law enforcement related folks get in trouble by what they post, you should exercise more discretion. The entire case against the 4 NOPD who slaughtered civilians on the Danziger Bridge was thrown out because the DA's were blabbing about the case with pseudonyms online.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:29 am to weagle99
The number of drug overdoses would most likely decrease.
Usually when you hear of drug overdoses it's from the intravenous use of Heroin. This is largely due to two different reasons.
The first one being interaction between other drugs, both medicinal and recreational, namely alcohol, benzos or other tranquilizers. Legalization won't change this one either way
The other one and the scariest part of Heroin is the impossibility of knowing the strength of the drug. A good batch enters the city and addicts shoot up their normal hit. That normal hit ends up being way more potent and te respiratory depression that takes place kills them. They fall asleep and try die, this is most likely what happened to Hoffman IMO. This problem would cease to exist if he drug was regulated and legal and was made by actual pharmaceutical companies. The potency would be clearly labeled on the packaging.
Add in the availability of clean needles and syringes that legality would bring and the danger of using would drop dramatically.
And the argument of legality causing an increase in sets has never made sense to me. People don't avoid Heroin because they're worried about it being illegal, the fact that th war on drugs has been a massive failure proves that, people don't use heroin because they don't want to be heroin addicts. It's just that simple.
Usually when you hear of drug overdoses it's from the intravenous use of Heroin. This is largely due to two different reasons.
The first one being interaction between other drugs, both medicinal and recreational, namely alcohol, benzos or other tranquilizers. Legalization won't change this one either way
The other one and the scariest part of Heroin is the impossibility of knowing the strength of the drug. A good batch enters the city and addicts shoot up their normal hit. That normal hit ends up being way more potent and te respiratory depression that takes place kills them. They fall asleep and try die, this is most likely what happened to Hoffman IMO. This problem would cease to exist if he drug was regulated and legal and was made by actual pharmaceutical companies. The potency would be clearly labeled on the packaging.
Add in the availability of clean needles and syringes that legality would bring and the danger of using would drop dramatically.
And the argument of legality causing an increase in sets has never made sense to me. People don't avoid Heroin because they're worried about it being illegal, the fact that th war on drugs has been a massive failure proves that, people don't use heroin because they don't want to be heroin addicts. It's just that simple.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:29 am to Sleeping Tiger
To get back to the topic, like I said I would be ok with the legalization of weed.
But cocaine, meth, or heroin just seems crazy.
But cocaine, meth, or heroin just seems crazy.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:32 am to CottonWasKing
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The other one and the scariest part of Heroin is the impossibility of knowing the strength of the drug.
THIS
This is why its actually good a lot of heroin junkies are moving onto oxycontin. At least then they know the dosage. The predominant consequence then becomes financial ruin - which is better than death, at least, for the user.
They should really just give heroin addicts heroin. Clean, free, and in an controlled environment.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:33 am to theenemy
since you are okay with Pot being legal.
Would you admit that the majority of drug arrests are pot arrests?
How many people have had their lives ruined by the current system? Sadly even with legalization, a lot of people will still have scars from prohibition.
I don't really think coke or heroin should be legal, but I also don't think possession of either should be a felony.
Would you admit that the majority of drug arrests are pot arrests?
How many people have had their lives ruined by the current system? Sadly even with legalization, a lot of people will still have scars from prohibition.
I don't really think coke or heroin should be legal, but I also don't think possession of either should be a felony.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:34 am to SpidermanTUba
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Just sayin' man - a lot of law enforcement related folks get in trouble by what they post, you should exercise more discretion. The entire case against the 4 NOPD who slaughtered civilians on the Danziger Bridge was thrown out because the DA's were blabbing about the case with pseudonyms online.
I understand that. Thats why I don't give out the Agency I work for or talk about specific cases. And nothing with my image.
But I don't mind sharing from the perspective that I see things.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:35 am to SpidermanTUba
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its actually good a lot of heroin junkies are moving onto oxycontin.
actually.,,,
It's going the other way. A lot of pill users are going to Heroin, because it's easier to get than Oxy. Hell I haven't seen snort-able oxy in a long time, people do Roxyxontin now.
Pharms are harder to come by, so Heroin use is way up. With Lortab and Vicodin coming off the market, I think heroin use will continue to rise.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:35 am to theenemy
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To get back to the topic, like I said I would be ok with the legalization of weed.
But cocaine, meth, or heroin just seems crazy.
It should all be decriminalized.
From what I understand - the biggest blow to the production of meth amphetamine in the past 20 years came not from an increase in prison sentences or enforcement frequency - but from restricting the amount of pseudoephedrine one can buy and/or requiring the signature of the buyer. That's the kind of smart policy that can reduce the negative consequences of a horrible drug without sending people to prison for long terms or spending absurd amounts of money on policing. You make it hard for people to acquire the precursor - and there's no need to send people to Angola for 50 years because they made a drug in their backyard.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:37 am
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:39 am to SpidermanTUba
Look you starting a thread pointing out that the enemy is a cop just makes people want to ban you again.
Spidey that is just dumb. He's a cop. So what? We need cops and we need narcotics officers still. A persons personal info should not be posted and I will bring this to an admins attention via a personal email.
Spidey that is just dumb. He's a cop. So what? We need cops and we need narcotics officers still. A persons personal info should not be posted and I will bring this to an admins attention via a personal email.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:39 am to Napoleon
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A lot of pill users are going to Heroin, because it's easier to get than Oxy. Hell I haven't seen snort-able oxy in a long time, people do Roxyxontin now.
What is Roxyxontin? That's what my ex-friend from high school was doing when he fricked me on the rent. Dude failed out of college - eventually got his college degree - then failed out of law school after 2 years - then failed out of PhD graduate school after 1 semester. He pissed away more opportunity than most people would have in two lifetimes (and his wife and three children) all to bang opiate.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:40 am to Napoleon
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Would you admit that the majority of drug arrests are pot arrests?
Yes and No
Narcotic arrests by Patrol officers--yes.
Narcotic Unit arrests--no.
We won't even buy marijuana unless the dealer is suspected of other crimes or is known as a violent offender.
We focus solely on Cocaine, Crack and Meth.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:42 am to Napoleon
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A persons personal info should not be posted and I will bring this to an admins attention via a personal email.
I only posted the info that theenemy himself revealed, and did so by directly linking to a post that theenemy himself made. It was information that thenemey volunteered in public, I did not violate anyone's privacy.
I did nothing wrong and resent your accusation.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:42 am to theenemy
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We won't even buy marijuana unless the dealer is suspected of other crimes or is known as a violent offender.
We focus solely on Cocaine, Crack and Meth.
well carry on, have no issues with you,
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