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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?

Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:41 am to
Posted by theenemy
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:41 am to
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They do. I've posted two links


I don't care what links you post...it is more common for weed dealers to have a job, but not crack, heroin, or meth dealers.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:44 am to
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I don't care what links you post...it is more common for weed dealers to have a job, but not crack, heroin, or meth dealers.




This is true.

Weed doesn't really make that much money. I learned this myself when in college. I had the entire 3rd floor of West LaVille hall buying my dope in 1996 - it only profited me enough on the year to smoke for free and go to 2 Phish concerts :)

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:45 am to
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I don't care what links you post.


You're the second person in this thread to say evidence doesn't matter. Strange, I would have thought backing up ideas with links would be a good thing.

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..it is more common for weed dealers to have a job, but not crack, heroin, or meth dealers.


I imagine is very likely that these dealers support their own habit by selling, while working regular jobs.

I just read a link that said the average crack dealer in an organization made about 3 bucks an hour. I'd link it but you wouldn't believe it.

There are big wigs who work full time, move a lot of volume. Then, there are the little guys (working for the big wigs) who do good to make 1,000 a month, if that.

This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:46 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:49 am to
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I just read a link that said the average crack dealer in an organization made about 3 bucks an hour.


After smoke? They'd be lucky to get that I'd think.

The crack dealers I dealt with as a very occasional user way back in the day didn't seem like they were livin' very well. They were kinda hard to distinguish from bums. "Make the block!"



This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:49 am
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:50 am to
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You're the second person in this thread to say evidence doesn't matter. Strange, I would have thought backing up ideas with links would be a good thing.


Why do I need links when I talk and associate with dope users and dealers on a weekly basis?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:51 am to
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J. T.'s gang took in revenues of about $32,000 a month. Not counting wages, it cost J. T. about $14,000 to operate, including $5,000 for the wholesale purchase of cocaine and another $5,000 as a kickback to the board of directors.

J. T.'s single largest expense was the wage he paid himself: $8,500 a month, for an annual salary of about $100,000. There were roughly 100 leaders of J. T.'s stature within the Black Disciple network. These were the drug dealers who could indeed afford to live large, or -- in the case of the board of directors -- extremely large. Each of those roughly 20 directors stood to earn about $500,000 a year.

So the top 120 men on the Black Disciples' pyramid were paid very well. But the pyramid they sat atop was gigantic. Using J. T.'s franchise as a yardstick -- three officers and roughly 50 foot soldiers -- there were about 5,300 other men working for those 120 bosses. Then there were the 20,000 unpaid rank-and-file members, many of whom wanted nothing more than a chance to become a foot soldier. And how well did that dream job pay? About $3.30 an hour.

J. T.'s three officers didn't do much better: about $7 an hour. So the answer to the original question -- if drug dealers make so much money, why are they still living with their mothers? -- is that, except for the top cats, they don't make much money.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:53 am to
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Why do I need links when I talk and associate with dope users and dealers on a weekly basis?


I really hope some agency has higher standards than this.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:53 am to
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Why do I need links when I talk and associate with dope users and dealers on a weekly basis?





You're a pretty crappy undercover cop if you're posting on TD.com about it.


Either that or you're trying to find someone to bust.

You're about 15 years too late with me, sorry.

This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:54 am
Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:54 am to
Forbes article, says ten years after decriminalizing drugs, abuse went down by half in Portugal. LINK

Use down, addiction down, crime down ect ect.

The Netherlands have had lax drug laws, yet their drug using stats are better than ours.

What about the notion that if all drugs were legal people would gravitate more to cannabis and stay away from hard drugs. A lot of heroin and coke users admit to liking cannabis the best of all the drugs they use. In places with decriminalization or lax drug laws, cannabis is the preferred drug and hard drug use is relatively low. If weed was more affordable, and sold in a store instead of from drug dealers more people would just stick with weed.
This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 1:57 am
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:55 am to
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I really hope some agency has higher standards than this.


I agree with this.
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:56 am to
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Why do I need links when I talk and associate with dope users and dealers on a weekly basis?




Just bc you "work" with them doesn't mean you know and/or understand how they operate.

People work at Wal-Mart. But I doubt they could tell me the logistical or managerial concepts that make the Bentonville conglomerate billions.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:56 am to
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You're a pretty crappy undercover cop if you're posting on TD.com about it.


Believe it or not I don't go by the name theenemy out on the street.

Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:58 am to
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I agree with this.


Why you got to be rude...I thought we were having a civil conversation.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 1:58 am to
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Forbes article, says ten years after decriminalizing drugs, abuse went down by half in Portugal.


It makes complete sense.

One of the biggest hurdles abusers of illegal drugs face when they decide to seek help is hiding the fact they are seeking help from their employers. Legalizing it doesn't completely erase the stigma - but it makes it a little easier for the ill to seek help.

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What about the notion that if all drugs were legal people would gravitate more to cannabis and stay away from hard drugs. A lot of heroin and coke users admit to liking cannabis the best of all the drugs they use. If weed was more affordable, and sold in a store instead of from drug dealers more people would just stick with weed.


Back in my day, I knew a lot of offshore workers - and they couldn't smoke pot, because it stays in the urine for so long - but they could do coke and other drugs that passed after a day or two. So obviously they chose the drug that were less likely to cause them to lose their jobs - the hard drugs.

Posted by Sleeping Tiger
Member since Sep 2013
8488 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:01 am to
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Back in my day, I knew a lot of offshore workers - and they couldn't smoke pot, because it stays in the urine for so long - but they could do coke and other drugs that passed after a day or two.


Sadly, I've had this told to me many times. Not always coke, but some hard drug that is in and out of the system because they were afraid of a potential drug test.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:01 am to
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Just bc you "work" with them doesn't mean you know and/or understand how they operate


Uh....thats kinda how we work. Start at one level and work our way up the food chain.
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:01 am to
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Believe it or not I don't go by the name theenemy out on the street.


Believe it or not, but Chicken isn't the only person with access to your private information. He hires a lot of different folks to help him out - and I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of them have taken a toke or two. I'm not at all saying anyone on TD.com would intentionally compromise anyone's privacy - but I can't imagine your supervisor would be willing to take the risk I'm wrong.


You're taking an unnecessary risk
by revealing your identiy as an uncover cop online, in any fasion. You gain nothing from it - yet potentially risk revealing your identity. Its really fricking stupid, actually. I hope this sort of amateurism isn't the norm at wherever it is you work.

This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:04 am
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:10 am to
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yet potentially risk revealing your identity


How?

How is having my username revealing my identity?
Posted by SpidermanTUba
my house
Member since May 2004
36132 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:12 am to
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How?

How is having my username revealing my identity?


You had to type in an email address to use this website.




This post was edited on 2/3/14 at 2:16 am
Posted by CherryGarciaMan
Sugar Magnolia
Member since Aug 2012
2497 posts
Posted on 2/3/14 at 2:12 am to
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Start at one level and work our way up the food chain.




You're like the gerbil on the never-ending wheel.

Keep on rolling.

You ain't getting anywhere though.

I hope you get a new truck this week due to confiscation laws in whatever state you set up shop in.
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