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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:43 pm to Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:43 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the heroin use increase in the past couple of years is directly related to re-formulation of oxy.
So the oxy heads just went to heroin.
Source: coworker whose son is an addict
There is no doubt that the introduction of synthetic opiates like oxycontin have led to an increase in heroin use.
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:44 pm to Tigah in the ATL
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the heroin use increase in the past couple of years is directly related to re-formulation of oxy.
Makes sense.
I don't know any users (well, may..just not open about it) but do know folks who love pills. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of the pills.
I don't take them even when prescribed. I've had my battles with alcohol and don't want to wake any demons. I could see how the pills could be easily addicting.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Makes sense.
Ughhhh. I said the same thing and you called BS
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:45 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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There is no doubt that the introduction of synthetic opiates like oxycontin have led to an increase in heroin use.
Actually, this is not true.
At first, oxy led to a decrease in heroin use.
Then, reformulated opiate pills (a couple years ago) are now causing an upswing on heroin use.
FWIW, I assisted in research on this very topic this summer in DC.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:46 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:no, it was the reformulation that made it non-snortable
There is no doubt that the introduction of synthetic opiates like oxycontin have led to an increase in heroin use
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You do agree a business (even underground) would concentrate on areas where it's making more money? I mean, they would be losing a shite load of revenue
Supply and Demand. As long as there is a demand that is profitable there is going to be a supply.
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Why not legalize coke?
Again, ok but as long as you hold people accountable for their choices instead of subsidizing them for poor choices.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:47 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Ughhhh. I said the same thing and you called BS
Well, you had an anecdotal story about people OD'ing on heroin when they couldn't find oxy. Oxy is easy to find.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
His source was a coworker with an addict son 
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:50 pm to theenemy
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Supply and Demand. As long as there is a demand that is profitable there is going to be a supply.
Sure it is. But they will concentrate efforts where it's most profitable.
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Why not legalize coke?
Again, ok but as long as you hold people accountable for their choices instead of subsidizing them for poor choices.
Coke in small doses isn't a terrible drug. I tried it once and found it extremely underwhelming.
If coke were legal, folks may not have resorted to making nasty shite in their bathrooms using caustic chemicals.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:53 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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His source was a coworker with an addict son
Well, my problem was with your "difficult to find" scenario. He said it was reformulated which I found to be fact, online.
But, to use that as an example of the failed war on drugs, the govt demands oxy be reformulated to stem the tide of abuse, and people go to street drugs.
You aren't going to stop drug use. You'd do better to regulate, control and offer practical solutions to dependence.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:54 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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quote: I saw no explanation....just conjecture and unsupported speculation.
Unbelievable.
In a sense, this really is bannable behavior.
Go ahead and RA me. I don't mind.
Why won't you answer my question? Why are you posting using an alter, mo?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:55 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Actually, this is not true.
At first, oxy led to a decrease in heroin use.
Then, reformulated opiate pills (a couple years ago) are now causing an upswing on heroin use.
FWIW, I assisted in research on this very topic this summer in DC.
It is true, the end result is true. Heroin is more popular today thanks to people being introduced to opiates through Rx drugs.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Well, maybe I shouldn't have said "difficult to find" then but the premise is the same.
Either way, there's no reason to call me a liar. I've given you no reason to assume that.
Either way, there's no reason to call me a liar. I've given you no reason to assume that.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You'd do better to regulate, control and offer practical solutions to dependence.
That sounds like a lot of government for a libertarian.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:58 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Either way, there's no reason to call me a liar. I've given you no reason to assume that.
Sorry, I just know they are easily available. I couldn't wrap my min around finding heroin, but not oxy.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:59 pm to LSURussian
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Go ahead and RA me. I don't mind.
I didn't think you would, and of course I would never think that you would get banned.
Doesn't change what has occurred. You shite all over this conversation, stepped over things when they were inconvenient, and distracted and degraded when you got shown wrong. But this is what you do, it's just the way you are. It's unfortunate.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:01 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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You'd do better to regulate, control and offer practical solutions to dependence.
That sounds like a lot of government for a libertarian.
What are the options? Practically, since this is the U.S. we'll never have a true free market.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:05 am to Sleeping Tiger
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Sleeping Tiger
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Appearing on the horizon is a profoundly disturbing scenario for this country and its citizens. The Prescription drug epidemic is being attacked on multiple fronts with little success. However pharmaceutical manufacturers’ are coming close to perfecting tamper proof Oxycontin pill formulations. Once these new tamper-proof pills make it to the U.S. market where will Opiate addicts turn to fill their addictions? As of 2006 85% worldwide production of these drugs were consumed in the United States.
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:06 am to Sleeping Tiger
What have I stepped over, mo?
What have you shown me to be wrong about, mo?
What have you shown me to be wrong about, mo?
Posted on 2/3/14 at 12:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
I've said I don't think we should go after the users but the producers and sellers. I think that would help a lot.
What I think would really help is ending the culture of entitlement that keeps many enslaved below the poverty line. Stopping the "war on poverty" would go much further than stopping the "war on drugs" IMO.
What I think would really help is ending the culture of entitlement that keeps many enslaved below the poverty line. Stopping the "war on poverty" would go much further than stopping the "war on drugs" IMO.
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