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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:55 pm to LSURussian
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:55 pm to LSURussian
quote:
That was just the first link that was provided when I googled. There were many more which all said it is possible to OD on weed.
I literally laughed out loud.
I'm guessing those sites say the same thing, that you can pass out from smoking too much.
I just discredited your link on two accounts, the fact that it's not actually overdosing, and using the same rules as earlier, it's coming from a source that benefits from cannabis being illegal.
And your response is you have more links.
That is wildly insane to think that's acceptable in a conversation.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 10:55 pm
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:58 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
I just discredited your link on two accounts
No, you didn't. Not even on one "account."
quote:Why? Because you're wrong and that is unacceptable to you?
That is wildly insane to think that's acceptable in a conversation.
Why are you using an alter?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:01 pm to LSURussian
quote:Didn't he sort of have to leave after his Keystone nonsense back in the day?
Why are you using an alter?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:02 pm to Diamondawg
quote:
Didn't he sort of have to leave after his Keystone nonsense back in the day?
It was around that time. I'd like to hear why he's posting with an alter.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
So, it's easier to get heroin than prescription drugs??? I call BS. Even illegally, they are much easier to find than heroin.
Well, I'm not making it up man. I don't think I've done anything to portray myself as a liar.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:04 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:
Marijuana funds are like football in major college athletics. Football finances all other sporting activity for the school. If the school were to lose it's football team due to gov't policy, there would not be nearly as much money coming in to fund baseball, basketball, and softball.
Are you high now?
Yes, there is a lot of money in Marijuana, but cocaine, heroin, and meth are still extremely profitable.
Cartels aren't shutting down cocaine trafficking because they lost marijuana revenue. That's absurd.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:04 pm to LSURussian
quote:
No, you didn't. Not even on one "account."
You agree with the notion that passing out and waking up with no harm is overdosing? In that case a heck of a lot of people are overdosing on alcohol that aren't a part of alcohol overdosing stats.
Earlier you discredited someones link because it had a pot ad, yet you don't want to apply the same standard to your link. The medical industry has more to gain from cannabis being illegal than legal, so sharing a link from the medical industry that considers 'passing out with no harm' overdosing should not be considered legitimate.
You really do need to be reprimanded in some way, you don't do anything outrageous, everything is within line, but your contributions as a whole are so detrimental to conversation.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:07 pm to Diamondawg
His lasts posts under mograyback were in a thread about the Syrian civil war. He may have posted something else that was deleted which led to a ban.
I remember his Keystone Oil posts and, while embarrassing to him, I'm not sure those got him banned.
I'm not even sure he was banned.
I'd like to hear his explanation about it.
I remember his Keystone Oil posts and, while embarrassing to him, I'm not sure those got him banned.
I'm not even sure he was banned.
I'd like to hear his explanation about it.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:08 pm to theenemy
quote:
Cartels aren't shutting down cocaine trafficking because they lost marijuana revenue. That's absurd.
You're taking a shite load of their power away.
They won't go away. Gangs that formed during prohibition went on to other crimes such as prostitution, etc. But, you'll certainly hit them where it hurts.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:09 pm to Sleeping Tiger
quote:
You really do need to be reprimanded in some way
Okay, I'll work on that.
Now, why are you posting using an alter?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:13 pm to theenemy
quote:
Are you high now?
Of course.
quote:
Cartels aren't shutting down cocaine trafficking because they lost marijuana revenue. That's absurd.
That's not what I was getting at. I thought the example was a good illustration as to the profitability of the illegal narcotics trade, but I'll give it another go.
Marijuana is how cartels grow their coffers. It's how they pay for stuff and pay their people. The profit margins are enormous. The other stuff is profitable, yes, but the consumption is low and profit margins even lower.
I strongly believe that you are overestimating both the profitability of meth, coke, and H as well as the fact that with decreasing the market ensures less of a cartel footprint in the area(s).
Houston Chronic
quote:
"Marijuana remains the constant commodity of choice for the drug cartels because of end user demand and the ease of production," said Tony Garcia, South Texas director of an intergovernmental police alliance that keeps tabs on the illicit drug trade.
"When cartels lose large quantities of other type drugs to law enforcement, their money coffers are replenished through the trafficking of marijuana," he said.
Cheap to grow and relatively easy to bring to market, Mexico's marijuana provides sustenance for entire mountain communities and wide profit margins for the gangsters. One widely challenged U.S. government study five years ago estimated that cannabis exports provided some 60 percent of the gangs' revenues. Other estimates range from 15 to 40 percent.
I bolded that just for you.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:20 pm to LSURussian
I love when you ignore things when you get shown wrong.
You quickly moved past the explanation you were given for why cannabis prices are high in legalized states, just as you're doing with this overdose issue.
Instead of actually having a real conversation we get nonsense. There was a pretty good question posed, but instead of addressing that question we dance around in the mud by saying passing out with no harm is the same as overdosing. The way games are played on here is just sad more than anything.
You quickly moved past the explanation you were given for why cannabis prices are high in legalized states, just as you're doing with this overdose issue.
Instead of actually having a real conversation we get nonsense. There was a pretty good question posed, but instead of addressing that question we dance around in the mud by saying passing out with no harm is the same as overdosing. The way games are played on here is just sad more than anything.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:24 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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You quickly moved past the explanation you were given for why cannabis prices are high in legalized states
I saw no explanation....just conjecture and unsupported speculation.
Now, why are you posting using an alter? Were you banned as mograyback? Are you a coward to explain it?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:28 pm to CherryGarciaMan
I get what you are saying. Marijuana revenues are important to Cartels.
But losing marijuana revenues does not cause Cartels to leave an area.
40% revenue is still better than 0% revenue.
And while marijuana profits are extremely high, cocaine, meth, and heroin are still are very profitable and Cartels are not going to willingly lose them as well.
But losing marijuana revenues does not cause Cartels to leave an area.
40% revenue is still better than 0% revenue.
And while marijuana profits are extremely high, cocaine, meth, and heroin are still are very profitable and Cartels are not going to willingly lose them as well.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:30 pm to LSURussian
quote:
I saw no explanation....just conjecture and unsupported speculation.
Unbelievable.
In a sense, this really is bannable behavior.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:31 pm to theenemy
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But losing marijuana revenues does not cause Cartels to leave an area.
40% revenue is still better than 0% revenue.
You do agree a business (even underground) would concentrate on areas where it's making more money? I mean, they would be losing a shite load of revenue.
quote:
And while marijuana profits are extremely high, cocaine, meth, and heroin are still are very profitable and Cartels are not going to willingly lose them as well.
Why not legalize coke? I'm sure that's a huge chunk of their non pot business.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:34 pm to theenemy
And Cherry,
I'm not that against Marijuana legalization. I do have some concerns about it, but wide spread drug legalization I am against.
Drugs such as cocaine, meth, and heroin destroy lives, families, and create more dependency.
I'm not that against Marijuana legalization. I do have some concerns about it, but wide spread drug legalization I am against.
Drugs such as cocaine, meth, and heroin destroy lives, families, and create more dependency.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:35 pm to theenemy
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theenemy
Alright bro.
We're going to do this one more time before I'm out.
If you are operating a vast business throughout the US in all 50 states, and two states begin to take away at least thirty percent of your business. What would you do? Would you concentrate elsewhere and keep all your employees in place, making no changes to your business model? Or, would you move around your employees to maximize your profit?
I believe that I would take employees from where they were stationed in those two states since my bottom line is affected, and move them elsewhere.
Now, if the other 48 states got together and implemented the same policies, the entire bottom line of the cartels would be lessened by at least 30%, ensuring the power and demise of the organizations.
Then, we, as a nation could legalize drugs, and the cartels would lose at least 90% of their profit!
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:the heroin use increase in the past couple of years is directly related to re-formulation of oxy.
RogerTheShrubber
So the oxy heads just went to heroin.
Source: coworker whose son is an addict
Posted on 2/2/14 at 11:42 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Source: coworker whose son is an addict
Along with countless studies.
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