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re: Would drug legalization increase the frequency of overdoses?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:53 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:53 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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A tiny example might be, a young kid might start selling drugs and getting involved in gang activity mainly because there is a great profit in drug dealing and there is no legal way to buy it.
I would counter that if drugs were legal that kid might have been attracted to stealing and got involved in gang activity for easy money.
The laws do not cause the problem, its the person willing to break the law that is the problem.
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Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:55 pm to theenemy
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Its kinda like your vehicle pulling to the left because your left tire is flat...the solution is not deflating your right tire.
No, it is nothing like that.
Currently it is like this: I have to subsidize drug abusers and pay for the pointless attempts to stop drug trafficking.
I would prefer it be like this: choke on your own puke during a narcotic induced episode...not my problem.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:55 pm to theenemy
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The laws do not cause the problem, its the person willing to break the law that is the problem.
Holy fricking shite. You gotta be kidding me. You don't think the black market is a very lucrative and easy way for an enterprising H.S. dropout to make a living? It's a crime of opportunity for most folks.
No market, fewer crimes.
This may shock you, but people you know, very closely, have dealt drugs.
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 9:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You'd most likely feel it's a state issue, if you were
The problem is the states want the Feds involved. Drug trafficking crosses state lines and would be nearly impossible for states to combat solely on a state level.
What State Gov't is lobbying the Feds to stop enforcing drug laws?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:01 pm to theenemy
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The problem is the states want the Feds involved. Drug trafficking crosses state lines and would be nearly impossible for states to combat solely on a state level.
Impossible to know. The feds are the ones carrying out the war on drugs, and states get money from the feds for it. I'll bet you if the feds dropped the game, some local cities would decriminalize drugs.
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What State Gov't is lobbying the Feds to stop enforcing drug laws?
They're getting too much of your tax dollars to fight it right now. It's like crack.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There is a direct correlation between prohibition and crime. Just because the rate falls doesn't mean it wouldn't fall even more without prohibition.
But the crime rate has dropped substantially since the war on drugs began. That's a fact. The incarceration rate has increased because because the entitlement society has kept people in poverty. Drug use and the war on drugs are a byproduct of this.
Also, the population of the United States has nearly doubled since 1960.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:05 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
I think you just made a point against yourself without realizing it.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:06 pm to Sleeping Tiger
You don't have the slightest fricking clue what point I'm trying to make.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You don't think the black market is a very lucrative and easy way for an enterprising H.S. dropout to make a living? It's a crime of opportunity for most folks
Ok, what is the root of this problem? The law or the H.S. dropout? The law or the willingness to break the law?
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:07 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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But the crime rate has dropped substantially since the war on drugs began.
Misleading. Violent crime dropped in 2005 and property crime in 2012, but had risen substantially through the 80's and early 90's
Maybe arresting 38% of white males and 40% of black males before they turn 23 has made some difference if that's the kind of nation in which you wish to live.
Violent crime began to fall in 2005. It's probably more a function of an aging population than it is anything else though.
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Also, the population of the United States has nearly doubled since 1960.
You do realize that crime stats usually deal with crimes per 100,000 people, don't you?
This post was edited on 2/2/14 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:08 pm to theenemy
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Ok, what is the root of this problem? The law or the H.S. dropout? The law or the willingness to break the law?
100% of the US population has broken the law. Maybe we have a problem with our laws, not population.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:12 pm to theenemy
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would be nearly impossible for states to combat solely on a state level.
What State Gov't is lobbying the Feds to stop enforcing drug laws?
Colorado and Washington are doing just that.
Cartels are disappearing in those states, and both are lobbying the FEDS to back off.
Similarly, the six states who have passed hemp cultivation are begging the FEDS to let them grow that fiber, which the FEDS have deemed a Schedule I narcotic, which goes against any and all mother fricking logic.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:13 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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which the FEDS have deemed a Schedule I narcotic, which goes against any and all mother fricking logic.
Astonishing. Simply fricking stupid. But thats government for ya.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
We're going in circles now. Everyone hear thinks I'm a staunch supporter of the war on drugs. I simply reject the notion that legalizing the sale of drugs would reduce crime. Or that the prohibition of drugs is the main reason behind crime in this country. The war on drugs is not the problem. The "war on poverty" is.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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some local cities would decriminalize drugs.
A city can't decriminalize drugs.....State Laws prohibit them.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:16 pm to CherryGarciaMan
quote:Why has the price of weed gone up not down in those states since it was legalized?
Cartels are disappearing in those states
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:16 pm to LSURussian
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Why has the price of weed gone up not down in those states since it was legalized?
Because the more effective cartel just took over, and they know to to price control.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:17 pm to theenemy
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A city can't decriminalize drugs.....State Laws prohibit them.
A city can decide not to prosecute certain drug crimes. I've seen it happen in Ak.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:17 pm to CherryGarciaMan
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Colorado and Washington are doing just that.
Not when it comes to Cocaine, Meth, and Heroin
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Cartels are disappearing in those states
So let me get this straight....Cartels dealing cocaine, meth, and heroin quit trafficking drugs to Colorado and Washington because they legalized marijuana.
Bless your heart.
Posted on 2/2/14 at 10:18 pm to LSURussian
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Cartels are disappearing in those states
Why has the price of weed gone up not down in those states since it was legalized?
It will.
Probably will not in Washington until other states are on board. They've set a limit of how much can be grown and sold. Prices will probably still be high.
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