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AuburnTigers
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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Why work for 8 bucks an hour when i can get paid 6 bucks an hour to sit on my arse and get free food stamps?


Strannix
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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they actually PREFER not working to working and living like 2% better


Saw some studies where single mother with kids had benefits approaching the 6 figure range, they gonna leave and become a CPA or engineer.


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Esquire
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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Why work for 8 bucks an hour when i can get paid 6 bucks an hour to sit on my arse and get free food stamps?


You have to work 20 hours/week to qualify for SNAP (food stamps)


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volod
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Member since Jun 2014
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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Easy 

Why work for 8 bucks an hour when i can get paid 6 bucks an hour to sit on my arse and get free food stamps?


This raises another uncomfortable question: why do our politicians (especially our Republicans in Congress) not try to curtail it.


stat19
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
Muh Cartoon Network
Muh Blunts
Muh Cheesy Poofs


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615tider
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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a fundamental variable in our society. What is it?


Responsibility

We are living in a society/culture that tells certain groups that nothing is really their fault. All the while subliminally telling many of them that this is most likely all they can hope for.


boogiewoogie1978
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Member since Aug 2012
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?


For some it's all they've ever known.


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RogerTheShrubber
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Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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why do our politicians not try to curtail it.


Once government gives, it cannot take away.

A better plan would require training or education to recieve benefits


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ShortyRob
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Member since Oct 2008
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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I agree. But the thing that baffles me, how in the hell do they explain this to their kids?


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Do the children ever ask their parents why they live in crap houses
Their houses look like the houses of basically everyone they know personally.

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At one point, curiosity has to set in, right? And when it does, I would like to know what the parent/parents say to them when they do ask


I don't know where you grew up, but as people grow up, most of them develop their own personal norms based upon the norms around them. For example. Move a person who grew up poor in Rwanda to an American ghetto, and that person will think they've hit the lottery.

Kids that grow up on welfare, especially those in the projects, are literally in a self-contained environment where everything you described is perfectly normal. To that kid, it doesn't even seem that odd. The parents don't even have anything to "explain".


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volod
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Member since Jun 2014
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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are living in a society/culture that tells certain groups that nothing is really their fault. All the while subliminally telling many of them that this is most likely all they can hope fo


I can agree with that, but what about other variables. The decline of manufacturing? The lopsided growth of the O&G industry? Decimation of "mom and pop stores" to big box retailers?


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Korkstand
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Member since Nov 2003
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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the increase in wages would have stopped her government subsidized child-care.
This is the root of it right here. It is flat-out stupid that some programs cut out support entirely at a particular dollar amount. Who in their right mind would make that extra dollar if it reduces their net substantially? Hell, people in the top tax bracket claim to be less likely to work more because they're taxed more.. they're still making more money than if they didn't work, it's just they're not making as much as expected. Imagine if working more/harder actually resulted in earning negative pay like it does for those on government assistance.

It's absurd. Unless, of course, it's working exactly as intended.


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Fox Mulder
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
because it's a minimum wage job for sitting on your ass, plus in rural areas you can find odd jobs that pay cash.

because if you have kids, you don't pay child support.


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greygoose
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Member since Aug 2013
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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I agree. But the thing that baffles me, how in the hell do they explain this to their kids? I can see people not giving a damn and not being embarrassed because their whole lives that is how they got all their food and chances are, that is how everyone they know also got their food, so they are just numb to it. Do the children ever ask their parents why they live in crap houses, have crap cars, and get free money, while all these other people who go to work, have nice cars and nice houses. At one point, curiosity has to set in, right? And when it does, I would like to know what the parent/parents say to them when they do ask.



It's a way of life, passed down from generation to generation. I have an aunt that worked for social services for over 40 years. She said she was signed people up on welfare, then their kids, and then their grand kids.

BTW, she lives in a state where there are not many blacks, so this is not an issue confined to race.

If the condition was set that to receive taxpayer money, child care, food stamps, then that person must submit weekly drug testing and contribute a certain amount of hours working community service.


brian_wilson
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Member since Oct 2016
2816 posts

re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
The way our welfare system is set up, you do have limitations on how long you can be on certain aspects of welfare.

Anyway
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If your area lacks economic opportunity you need to consider leaving.

Absolutely agree, but moving is pretty expensive. If you can't make ends meat, you are unlikely to have money to move.
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Is there something preventing you from furthering your education.

Education isn't a sure way to improve your earning potential, plus it takes money to go to school and likely reduced earnings while you are in school.

I personally would never want to be on welfare.


deltaland
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Member since Mar 2011
44938 posts

re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
It’s because the entitlement restrictions give no incentive to work or do better.

It’s complicated but here is the gist of it. Start with broken homes.

Kids born out of wedlock which is encouraged by our entitlement programs that give extra benefits to single moms. So the child has a poor upbringing with little value on education.

Now to education: due a community with no value on education and little involvement in schools, you end up with shite schools with terrible teachers and administrators who embezzle funds. The few students who do care have 0 options because they must attend the school in their district and cannot afford private school. So they get a crap education and even with good grades in HS usually fail out of college due to not being prepared.

So now all of these kids reach adulthood with little to no education. Parents kick them out at 18 as they no longer bring them any extra benefits. These kids have little more than minimum wage value in the workforce. They cannot afford to support themselves on MW so they get Govt housing, food stamps, Obamacare, etc. probably valued at 20-35k a year total. Plus earning 20k at a MW job.

Say they do good at work. Get offered a raise to 15 an hour. Now they make too much to keep their benefits and the total income value per year actually goes down. So they choose to continue making MW as they’d need a salary of around 50k to do better than their current situation.

So the cycle repeats itself.


kingbob
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Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
45617 posts

re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
As long as you're on welfare, you can't really be working a real job that will net you experience with a good chance of moving up the economic ladder. In order for working to be more lucrative than welfare, especially for a single mother, the amount you have to make per/hour with benefits is far higher than what you can make starting out or what you could reasonably be promoted into while working just part time to maintain the benefits. That means, it is always economically advantageous to stay on welfare in the 1-5 year time frame. Since most people cannot conceptualize planning more than 5 years ahead, let alone put themselves in serious financial strain to do so, entitlements are nearly always a better deal than working for those who have few marketable, certified, skills (trade school education, real college degree in a useful field)


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RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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Education isn't a sure way to improve your earning potential, plus it takes money to go to school and likely reduced earnings while you are in school.


No one on welfare pays for education or training. It's easier to do this as a poor person than middle class. There is absolutely no reason a poor person able to work cannot improve themselves

The bottom line is our poor are much different than the poor of yesterday. Government programs have them dependent and feeling powerless. They still control their own destiny, but don't know it.


SirWinston
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re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
Netflix and xbox


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brian_wilson
LSU Fan
Member since Oct 2016
2816 posts

re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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There is absolutely no reason a poor person able to work cannot improve themselves


Sure there is. A disability is a great example, or family situation (say supporting multiple family members).

But I do agree that an enterprising poor person could pull themselves out of poverty! The thing is there are a lot of fricking idiots out there.


RogerTheShrubber
LSU Fan
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
156445 posts

re: Why would anyone want to stay on welfare?
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A disability is a great example


I clearly said able to work. .

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The thing is there are a lot of fricking idiots out there.


Is it your opinion that these people don't have the intellect to function in society?
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