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Why Taxes on Electric Vehicles May Get Harder to Impose in Texas
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:37 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:37 am
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When state lawmakers met in Austin this year, many people expected them to impose a new tax or fee on electric cars in Texas. The logic was simple: State highway construction is funded partially by a gas tax; electric vehicle drivers who use roads but don’t buy gas should contribute their fair share.
The big question, it seemed, was not if a new tax on EVs was coming, but how much it should be.
The session ended, though, and no fees were imposed. And lawmakers may find it even more difficult to push for fees the next time they convene.
Electric vehicle ownership and charging infrastructure is expected to grow significantly between now and the state’s next regular legislative session in two years. The lobbying power of the industry — and the number of enthusiastic electric vehicle drivers opposing such fees — will likely grow as well.
Fear of angering voters who drive has kept lawmakers from increasing the state’s gas tax since 1991.
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Smith, whose group represents electric vehicle dealers and environmental groups, estimates Tesla owners alone sent around 7,000 messages opposing a proposal to charge an EV tax of $200 annually.
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The Texas Department of Transportation has estimated that each electric vehicle that replaces a gas-powered vehicle could, on average, result in a $100 annual loss in state highway fund revenue.
Smith said that's why the $200 annual fee proposed by lawmakers this year sounded like an effort to "penalize" drivers of electric vehicles.
“We offered $100, $120 and a fee that varied by miles driven,” he said, “but they were all rejected.”
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This is going to get interesting because not only are EV drivers contributing to road wear and tear without paying into the road funding mechanism (gasoline tax), in Texas, they’re going to put further strain on an electrical grid system that Ercot and Texas officials are worried about having rolling blackouts this summer due to peak overloads.
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Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:41 am to ragincajun03
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Tesla owners alone sent around 7,000 messages opposing a proposal to charge an EV tax of $200 annually.
Irony. Wants the government to use taxes to make everyone but EVs but doesn't want a puny $200 yearly tax tacked on to a $30k vehicle purchase.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 7:41 am to ragincajun03
Wait until hundreds of thousands of vehicles are plugged in every night.
The grid will we then be strained all night as well as all day.
The cheap power at night will go up and raise the overall average cost of power.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:01 am to ragincajun03
Texas' tax is different than other states. I'm not entirely sure it's "better". Just different. No state income tax but we have registration fees, property tax, and several other taxes that the state gets theirs from.
Property taxes in state are about 2-3% of our property value so a property worth $300k has a $6k-$9k tax burden. And they frick you buy raising your property "value" by a ton every year. There is a rule that they can only raise it by so much, but they also have a loophole that allows them to freely get around that rule and cities are exploiting that loophole every chance they get. It is quite aggravating.
Property taxes in state are about 2-3% of our property value so a property worth $300k has a $6k-$9k tax burden. And they frick you buy raising your property "value" by a ton every year. There is a rule that they can only raise it by so much, but they also have a loophole that allows them to freely get around that rule and cities are exploiting that loophole every chance they get. It is quite aggravating.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:04 am to tiggerthetooth
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but doesn't want a puny $200 yearly tax tacked on to a $30k vehicle purchase...
...that was heavily subsidized by the government
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:10 am to ragincajun03
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strain on an electrical grid system that Ercot and Texas officials are worried about having rolling blackouts this summer due to peak overloads.
We can look 1000 years into the future and "predict" the climate, but we can't look 5 years into the future and recognize we don't have the grid capacity to support electric cars. Only the progressives...fricking idiots.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:23 am to geauxturbo
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We can look 1000 years into the future and "predict" the climate, but we can't look 5 years into the future and recognize we don't have the grid capacity to support electric cars
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:26 am to ragincajun03
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Ercot and Texas officials are worried about having rolling blackouts this summer due to peak overloads.
Sounds like that has nothing to do with EVs and everything to do with them not building out their grid infrastructure sufficiently
Posted on 6/17/21 at 8:36 am to Powerman
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Sounds like that has nothing to do with EVs and everything to do with them not building out their grid infrastructure sufficiently
I don’t necessarily disagree, but just commenting that while the EV owners aren’t currently having to pay into the road improvement pot via gasoline taxes, while still using our roads and causing wear and tear, the increase in EVs is also going to contribute to an already stressed power grid.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 9:32 am to ragincajun03
So EV's as a tax avoidance vehicle?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:23 am to cwill
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o EV's as a tax avoidance vehicle?
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Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:52 am to ragincajun03
They will figure out a way to re-direct the taxes to all these new home charging stations designed for EVs. It will be a smooth rollout for Texas but Louisiana will have to conduct a 5-year study on why people are burning down their houses with overloading 50-amp stations. The study will be conducted by the engineers who designed the Washington Street exit ramp.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:07 am to ragincajun03
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Fear of angering voters who drive
Somebody should do something about those voters that drive.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:15 am to Powerman
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Sounds like that has nothing to do with EVs and everything to do with them not building out their grid infrastructure sufficiently
Sounds like you are using this thread to demonstrate what an uneducated dolt you are again.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:40 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:Why should the EV owners pay double?
Irony. Wants the government to use taxes to make everyone but EVs but doesn't want a puny $200 yearly tax tacked on to a $30k vehicle purchase.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:43 pm to shel311
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Why should the EV owners pay double?
They aren't paying double the people not driving EVs are. A tax credit to buy the EV, a tax credit for the charging station, a tax break for driving on the roads as well.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 6:57 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:If the legislation passed, EV owners would be paying double, yes.
They aren't paying double the people not driving EVs are
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The Texas Department of Transportation has estimated that each electric vehicle that replaces a gas-powered vehicle could, on average, result in a $100 annual loss in state highway fund revenue.
Smith said that's why the $200 annual fee proposed by lawmakers this year sounded like an effort to "penalize" drivers of electric vehicles.
quote:And if I bought an EV without any tax credit, I should still pay double?
A tax credit to buy the EV
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 7:04 pm
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