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re: Why did myself & so many others believe illegal immigrants received benefits?

Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:24 pm to
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87483 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:24 pm to
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Craig86

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Growing up in California


Boy, does that ever explain a lot.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19406 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:25 pm to
Heritage Foundation The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer
Honestly, these numbers by the Heritage Foundation are very generous and conservative. No way there are 3.7 million illegals here. Biden let that many in about 18 months, lol. Estimates are more like 10-15 million conservatively from just the Biden administration.
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There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.


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Executive Summary Unlawful immigration and amnesty for current unlawful immigrants can pose large fiscal costs for U.S. taxpayers. Government provides four types of benefits and services that are relevant to this issue: Direct benefits. These include Social Security, Medicare, unemployment insurance, and workers’ compensation. Means-tested welfare benefits. There are over 80 of these programs which, at a cost of nearly $900 billion per year, provide cash, food, housing, medical, and other services to roughly 100 million low-income Americans. Major programs include Medicaid, food stamps, the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit, public housing, Supplemental Security Income, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Public education. At a cost of $12,300 per pupil per year, these services are largely free or heavily subsidized for low-income parents. Population-based services. Police, fire, highways, parks, and similar services, as the National Academy of Sciences determined in its study of the fiscal costs of immigration, generally have to expand as new immigrants enter a community; someone has to bear the cost of that expansion.

Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1929 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:28 pm to
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So nobody has any facts to link to or anything? " I deal with it regularly" & "just walk into a "x" and you'll see" are not facts.


You are very misinformed. You claimed the total spending on healthcare for illegals was $3.8 billion whereas is just California alone it was over $9 billion according to the L.A. Times.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85693 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:30 pm to
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Crime stuff: Lower incarceration rates: In 2023, the incarceration rate for undocumented immigrants was 613 per 100,000, compared to 1,221 per 100,000 for US-born citizens



So this would be a 50.16% increase in incarceration rates due to illegal immigration. Which we pay for in blood and money.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 7:32 pm
Posted by Craig86
Florida
Member since Oct 2012
1918 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:31 pm to
I got the info from the Cato Institute they are probably wrong.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
24952 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:31 pm to
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Why don't we focus on all the Americans doing the crimes


why are you so virulently racist?
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19406 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:35 pm to
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Estimated costs to taxpayers Several conservative organizations have published reports detailing the financial burden they attribute to undocumented immigration.

Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): In a 2023 report, FAIR estimated a net annual cost of $150.7 billion to U.S. taxpayers. This figure is calculated by taking an estimated gross expenditure of $182 billion and subtracting approximately $31 billion in taxes paid by undocumented immigrants.

The report breaks down the costs as follows:
State and local spending: $115.6 billion, primarily for education ($73.2 billion) and medical care ($21.8 billion).

Federal spending: $66.4 billion, including over $25 billion for justice and enforcement and $23 billion for medical care.

House Committee on Homeland Security: A November 2023 report from this Republican-led committee, citing CIS data, estimated that recent illegal immigration has cost the country close to $500 billion. The report mentions a specific CIS finding that caring for immigrants released at the border would require $451 billion in taxpayer funds.

House Committee on the Budget: A 2024 press release from the Republican-led committee highlighted the cost of the border crisis, citing FAIR's estimate of over $150 billion in annual costs to taxpayers.


The costs to taxpayers is off the charts. The numbers are all over the place because we have no control over our borders and we have a chaotic immigration system. It’s almost like it’s what Democrats want because they do.
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
5911 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:40 pm to
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I got the info from the Cato Institute they are probably wrong.

Post the link and I can explain how you want so badly to believe something that is laughably wrong that you are willfully misinterpreting everything as you wish it to be.

You obviously want to live in a fantasy world where men can become women, and everyone who crosses the border saves kittens.

But none of that is real.

Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
17872 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:40 pm to
Brainless since birth...surprised you can walk and talk.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
1929 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:40 pm to
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But the fact is they do far less crime than Americans do.


Where do you get that stat from? Does California, New York, Illinois, or other states break down crime stats based on documented status? Or is this another "estimate" by people with an agenda?

Just looking at news reports will show that somewhere between 20-25% of the federal prison population are illegal aliens. You think they make up 20-25% of the total population? If not, then they do not "do far less crime than Americans do"
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19406 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:49 pm to
“What the media tell you about illegal-immigrant crime is plain wrong”

Center for Immigration Studies

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Let’s first examine the low-crime-rate argument.

It’s not so easy to determine illegal immigrants’ crime rate because most jurisdictions don’t carefully track the immigration status of those convicted or incarcerated. We do know that noncitizens, a large share of whom are illegal immigrants, represent a disproportionate share of federal offenders, but it’s not clear whether this is true at the state and local levels, where most law enforcement takes place.

Texas is an exception. The state’s Department of Public Safety keeps some of the most useful data on criminals’ immigration status, but it’s useful only if researchers understand its limits. In the last few years, widely cited studies by the Cato Institute and in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science and a recent Cato update have misinterpreted the Texas DPS data to argue that illegal immigrants have low rates of arrest and conviction.

A new Center for Immigration Studies analysis shows that, when properly understood, Texas DPS data actually show that illegal immigrants have higher conviction rates than the general population for serious crimes such as homicide and sexual assault. (For less serious crimes, it is harder to say.)

The authors of the Cato and PNAS articles don’t appreciate that it typically takes years for DPS to identify convicts as illegal immigrants. As DPS recognizes more of them as illegal immigrants, their share of criminal convictions rises in the data. The figure above illustrates how counting only the illegal immigrants identified upon arrest produces a crime rate lower than the state average, but adding in the illegal immigrants identified while in prison shows the crime rate is actually higher than average.
Posted by TigerMan327
Elsewhere
Member since Feb 2011
6074 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:50 pm to
There are 14 states that give Medicaid healthcare plans to illegals. Not just emergency services. Actual plans.

These plans are “state funded” so not illegal. The issue? These “state funded” plans get 60-70% of all their funding from the federal government.
Posted by agilitydawg
Member since Aug 2022
188 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:51 pm to
What a crock of crap.
Declared wages from his own earnings over x years. Maybe a few dollars here and there, but I promise you the majority do NOT declare all of their illegal earnings. Meanwhile, the local public school benefits, insurance, hospital utilization for emergency room, food stamps through special state provisions for undocumented aliens funded by federal dollars, and on and on and on. How bout in-state tuition for illegals, while out-of-state students get charged the higher rate?

I promise you the crime statistics are complete B.S. Liberal states trying to chalk up crime statistically that are committed by illegals in any accurate measure - C'mon Man. They don't even do that accurately by race.
I assure you, this poor dude got far more than he ever paid in.
Posted by TigerTattle
Out of Town
Member since Sep 2007
6686 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:52 pm to
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Ineligible for benefits:


The children illegals drop while on American soil are fully eligible. Add that into the equation.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14204 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:56 pm to
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I don't know about you guys, but I think this was my favorite part.
Just today, a story was posted about a Marine who's parents were deported. They had been here illegally, for 30 years.

Most of them aren't trying to become citizens.
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
South of I-10
Member since Aug 2012
1044 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:58 pm to
An illegal alien is still a law-breaker. Your OP is irrelevant.
Posted by BamaAggiemom
Member since Aug 2019
515 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:59 pm to
Don't forget those kids get a free education and free breakfasts and lunches.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
19406 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:59 pm to
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Just looking at news reports will show that somewhere between 20-25% of the federal prison population are illegal aliens. You think they make up 20-25% of the total population? If not, then they do not "do far less crime than Americans do"

Yep, local liberal law enforcement agencies are not cooperating with federal agencies. I guess he has never heard of Sanctuary Cities? LOL, this impacts state and local stats.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 8:00 pm
Posted by Vandergriff
Member since Nov 2020
1491 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:59 pm to
Illegal immigrant communities have less crime, per capita?

Illegals pay a lot of payroll taxes?

So unbelievably uninformed.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17364 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:02 pm to
Completely copied from an AI site.

AI Overview


Based on multiple studies, communities with higher immigrant populations, including concentrations of undocumented immigrants, tend to have lower crime rates. Sociologists suggest this is partly due to increased community cohesion and stronger social bonds within these communities.
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