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imjustafatkid
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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Everywhere it's enacted, gun violence / gun deaths decrease


This is a meaningless number. It doesn't matter by how much gun violence / death decreases. It matters how much total violence / death decreases. I realize that is why you frame it in this manner, though. Looking at honest numbers doesn't support your worldview.


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OMLandshark
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
Because there are only like 200,000 of them in the country


beerJeep
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It might not stop the Mexican cartels from importing their own illegally, but that's an issue we would have regardless


A lock keeps an honest man out. If Jose wants to kill 100 people with a gun, he doesn't give a frick what the laws are. But I do love how you readily admitted that the law won't stop criminals from being criminals. So what's the point then? You're disarming people and giving those whom will commit the crime regardless a softer target.


beaverfever
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media fascination
Go figure. These people have been screwing this country up for 100+ years.


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SlowFlowPro
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
she's trying a "gotcha" that "banning reduces crime" but it ignores the reality that the ban was like 80 years ago and there were never that many in circulation at the time. even ignoring how shitty using an auto fire weapon in these scenarios would be, we have 300M+ guns in circulation today

if the authoritarians wanted to take our guns, they're almost a century too late to do so


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imjustafatkid
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So, by that logic.....making them hard to get equates to making their use in mass shootings less likely.


Seems like their use in mass shootings is already unlikely. How often are automatic weapons used in mass shootings?


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Rougarou13
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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It might not stop the Mexican cartels from importing their own illegally, but that's an issue we would have regardless (and I think a pretty minor issue, really)


So if you successfully banned and confiscated all firearms in the U.S. wouldn’t you see a rapid increase of that illegal importation? Essentially replacing the legal semi-auto weapons in the country with illegal automatic ones.

Good idea.


imjustafatkid
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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So if you successfully banned and confiscated all firearms in the U.S. wouldn’t you see a rapid increase of that illegal importation? Essentially replacing the legal semi-auto weapons in the country with illegal automatic ones.


Yep. Mexico should fully oppose any new gun control laws in the U.S. It would be devastating to their fight with the cartels. We'd legalize pot, criminalize guns, and the cartels would shift to being gun runners instead of drug runners.


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beaverfever
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I have enough weapons and ammo sitting 10 feet from me right now to do the same. Yet the only thing my guns have ever killed are deer/hogs/ducks/beer cans.
This is the uncomfortable truth. That guy spent 100k on guns and he probably could have killed almost as many going door to door in his neighborhood and killing people with a handgun. It’s a scary world and there are wicked people. You can give up all of your freedom and there still wouldn’t be any guarantee of safety.


Taxing Authority
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But proper gun control? Everywhere it's enacted, gun violence / gun deaths decrease.
Liar.


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Taxing Authority
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Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
Sad.

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Why don't we see more of them used?
The same reason you don't see people murdering their neighbors with lesser weapons.


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Aubie Spr96
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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How do you reconcile your position that cops are violent and oppress black people with your position that only cops should have guns?


The left has more moral conflicts like this than the right does, but not by much.


HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
Here's how stupid we've became as a country.

We have liberals who argue that walls don't work and we have conservatives who argue that gun bans don't work.


Here's a hint to both groups of morons . Gun bans and walls both work.

They both DECREASE the likelyhood of a particular crime.

Of course, there is the 2nd amendment to protect against gun bans while no such amendment exists to prevent a wall.

The point is, stop spouting shite that is patently untrue. The ban on the importation and manufacturing of automatic weapons has most definitely played a role in the fact that we don't see automatic weapons being used in crimes except on very rare occasions.

And likewise if walls didn't work, we'd all live outside with nothing between us and our neighbor.


Rougarou13
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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The ban on the importation and manufacturing of automatic weapons has most definitely played a role in the fact that we don't see automatic weapons being used in crimes except on very rare occasions.


They were rare BEFORE the ban.


americanrealism
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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A lock keeps an honest man out.


So start leaving your home unlocked since the outlaws are going to get in anyway. What's that? Feel better sleeping behind a locked door? I thought so.

This line of thought leads to ridiculous places. In this view essentially all laws are useless since law-abiding people don't need them and law-breaking people ignore them. If that's the case then we may as well live under actual anarchy.


Centinel
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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Agreed, it targeted the wrong things and wasn't nearly strong enough.

But proper gun control? Everywhere it's enacted, gun violence / gun deaths decrease.



Ok. I'll play. In fact I think you aren't going far enough. I think we should ban ALL guns from the hands of private citizens, and go door to door and confiscate them all.

Now, lets say we reach this utopia of yours. Do you think mass murders will stop? Do you think the inner city gang wars would cease?

Honest question.



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Taxing Authority
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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The ban on the importation and manufacturing of automatic weapons has most definitely played a role in the fact that we don't see automatic weapons being used in crimes except on very rare occasions.
Amen. Good thing we don't have them otherwise people would be out robbing banks, holding up liquor stores, and shooting up neighborhoods over gang territory. Thank GAWD the ban has saved us from all of that.


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Rougarou13
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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What's that? Feel better sleeping behind a locked door?


No. I feel safer because a lock will keep him out long enough to gather my senses and get a clear shot.


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Centinel
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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This line of thought leads to ridiculous places. In this view essentially all laws are useless since law-abiding people don't need them and law-breaking people ignore them. If that's the case then we may as well live under actual anarchy.



Only if you start with your ridiculous premise. Laws against physical assault, murder, etc. are reactionary in nature. As all good laws should be. In other words, if you do X...Y will result. It is purely an action taken by an individual. The particulars don't matter as much.

What you advocate is proactive laws. Laws that punish prior to a crime being committed.

You "might" go kill someone with a AR-15, so your ability to have an AR-15 should be removed. Or John killed with an AR-15, so you "might" kill with an AR-15 so your ability to own one should be removed. It is purely based on what "might" happen as opposed to actually infringing on someone's rights.


One of those is the proper way for laws to work. The other is an authoritarian stance based solely on your opinion and feelings.



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beaverfever
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re: Why are so few truly Automatic guns used in Mass Shootings?
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They both DECREASE the likelyhood of a particular crime. Of course, there is the 2nd amendment to protect against gun bans while no such amendment exists to prevent a wall.
The important part of your post.


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