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re: Why are Moronials such whiny losers that blame all of their failures on Boomers?
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
I'll provide some more data on the simple fact that economic opportunities are not the same.
Millennials are the Unluckiest Generation
Oh, remember this is AFTER the losses suffered after the 2008 Great Recession.
Millennials are the Unluckiest Generation
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After accounting for the present crisis, the average millennial has experienced slower economic growth since entering the workforce than any other generation in U.S. history.
Millennials will bear these economic scars the rest of their lives, in the form of lower earnings, lower wealth and delayed milestones, such as homeownership.
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The losses aren’t merely symbolic. This recession steamrolled younger workers just as millennials were entering their prime working years — the oldest millennials are nearing 40 while the youngest are in their mid-20s. Millennial employment plunged by 16 percent in March and April this year, our calculations show. That’s faster than either Gen X (12 percent) or the baby boomers (13 percent).
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At the beginning of 2019, millennials became the largest generation in the United States’ full-time workforce, surpassing Gen X. But the coronavirus crisis walloped millennials so disproportionately that they’re on the precipice of giving the top generational spot back to Gen X.
Oh, remember this is AFTER the losses suffered after the 2008 Great Recession.
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In a 2019 working paper, Census Bureau economist Kevin Rinz used regional differences in the Great Recession’s severity to calculate that while millennial employment recovered from the Great Recession within a decade, millennial earnings never did. Building on earlier work from the University of California at Berkeley’s Danny Yagan, Rinz based his findings on more than a dozen years of annual data for more than 4.1 million people in a government database.
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Thanks to the Great Recession, the average millennial lost about 13 percent of their earnings between 2005 and 2017, Rinz found. That’s worse than Gen X’s 9 percent setback and almost double the 7 percent loss faced by baby boomers. By the end of the period, baby boomer earnings had recovered, even as millennials remained well below where they should have been.
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Yet millennials spend within their means more so than Gen X or boomers did at the same age, Kent’s analysis of separate Federal Reserve data shows. That is, they’re more likely to spend less than they earn, and 52 percent of millennials were saving for retirement at age 34. At that age, just 42 percent of boomers had retirement savings.
“This narrative of, ‘Oh you should just work harder, sink or swim by your own effort?’ It’s very American, but it ignores the fact that the tide is much stronger now, and many millennials are swimming upstream,” Kent said.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Are millennials really the first generation to do worse than their parents?
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Millennials also are widely predicted to become the first generation in U.S. history to do worse than their parents financially. There is a powerful temptation to equate the much-maligned personality traits of millennials with their high unemployment rate -- at 16.2 percent for young people 16 to 24, it's more than twice the national average -- and limited financial prospects [source: Ayres]. But the truth, as usual, is much more complicated.
If millennials indeed become the first generation to do worse than their parents, it's less about the generation gap than the wealth gap. It's less about entitled kids who can't stand hard work than a wholesale lack of jobs that offer a living wage for someone with limited experience. In other words, it's not just the "kids these days," but the "economy these days" that we really should be moaning about.
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Millennials are the most educated generation in American history. On the surface, that seems like a good thing. But college and grad school cost money -- increasingly insane amounts of money. The price of attending a public four-year college rose 54 percent from 1998 to 2008 while the typical American household earned less in 2008 than it did a decade earlier, adjusted for inflation [sources: College Board, Leonhardt]. Therefore, to pay for the education touted by parents, teachers and the government as critical to future success, millennials took on massive debt, a record-breaking $35,200 on average for each 2013 U.S. college graduate [source: Ellis].
Student debt isn't necessarily a bad thing if there are well-paying jobs waiting for college graduates. Oops! Millennials had the poorly timed misfortune of graduating in the middle of the worst economic collapse since 1929. The Great Recession forced companies to downsize or at least stop hiring. The U.S. unemployment rate went from 4.4 percent in 2007 to a crippling 10 percent in 2009 and remains more than 7 percent in 2013 [source: Bureau of Labor Statistics]. When jobs become scarce, competition gets fierce. Millennials fresh out of college have to compete with applicants who have 10 years of experience but are willing to take lower-paying jobs out of desperation.
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The wealth gap between older and younger people has also widened significantly over the past 30 years. A 30-year-old in 2013 is worth 21 percent less than a 30-year-old in 1983. Meanwhile, the net worth of the average 60-year-old today is more than twice as high as 1983 [source: Lowrey]. In other words, young people keep getting poorer, while old folks get richer. Demographers point to skyrocketing college tuition for younger generations, higher unemployment, sinking home values and middle-class income stagnation [source: Yen].
These broad economic trends have nothing to do with narcissism, entitlement or Twitter. But taken together, they add up to ballooning debt, fewer well-paying jobs for college graduates and bleak long-term career prospects for millennials. Wouldn't you move into your parents' basement, too?
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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The leeches get offended.
Leeches? Who on here is being a leech? Who on here has not been forced to pay into the system. Someone is a leech wanting a return on their money?
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:54 am to La Place Mike
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Every generation has their obstacles.
And some generations have more difficult obstacles. Millennials have much more pervasive and difficult obstacles than Boomers. The Greatest Generation had more pervasive and difficult obstacles than boomers, too. TGG v. Millennials would be interesting but that isn't the discussion. Boomers had an easier path than both.
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the American people, have let the Government grow into a corrupt behemoth
Who has been in power doing this?
Certainly wasn't millennials.
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Instead of squabbling about who did what to whom. We need to band together and put a stop to the corruption that has taken over the Government at all levels.
Boomers have had 30-40 years to do this and it only got worse. Why would anyone trust them to fix it?
Again, look at our debt explosion since 2000. That 20-year period had no real millennial influence and was almost exclusively boomers in power.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 7:56 am to La Place Mike
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Someone is a leech wanting a return on their money?
That all is a lie. You didn't "invest" money. Your SS taxes went to fund older people's SS spending. It's a wealth transfer program not an investment program. Medicare is even worse.
Also, millennials are paying into SS/Medicare, so it's not like they're getting to slide. The difference is that it's almost assured that millennials won't get anything from SS after paying for decades. Yet it's unfair to talk about older people facing the same fate? C'mon.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:02 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes.
No.
Millennials are a weak generation. The ones after them are even worse. A lost cause.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:06 am to Griffindawg
quote:cognitive dissonance and perpetual retarded thought processes are strong in this one
I have friends who are business owners, lawyers, salesmen who do over a million a year in sales, all living and thriving in spite of the economy and world that your greedy arse generation created for us. So like I said frick you.
GENERATIONS DO NOT GUIDE GOVERNMENT - INDIVIDUALS DO, YA FCKG IGNORANT AZZHOLES
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:07 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:perpetual retarded stupidity and ignorance
SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:11 am to David_DJS
quote:yep
I’m just not used to adults blaming other adults for decisions they made as adults.
Are you a Leftist? I’m trying to understand your post about Leftists rolling over boomers.
The "trying to understand" these ignorant azzholes is impossible - their thought processes prevent reason.
Maybe best said is that they are victims of the horrendous American education system after about the time that the marxists infiltrated it.
They are unable to reason or really, they are unable to even think at all.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I am not a fan of Social Security or Medicare. The point I was making is that people are forced to pay into the system and you cant blame anyone for wanting to get their money back out of that system. That doesnt make them a leech.
When I was a teenager we were told we would never own our own home. Inflation would destroy the economy, medicare and Social Security would not be there when we retire if you could retire, and we would freeze to death in 20 years if we didn't die from a nuclear holocaust first. Does any of that sound vaguely familar?
When I was a teenager we were told we would never own our own home. Inflation would destroy the economy, medicare and Social Security would not be there when we retire if you could retire, and we would freeze to death in 20 years if we didn't die from a nuclear holocaust first. Does any of that sound vaguely familar?
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 8:19 am
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:20 am to Kang
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Millennials are a weak generation. The ones after them are even worse. A lost cause.
You can be emotional or look at the facts. You're currently choosing emotion.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:21 am to La Place Mike
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When I was a teenager we were told we would never own our own home. Inflation would destroy the economy, medicare and Social Security would not be there when we retire if you could retire, and we would freeze to death in 20 years if we didn't die from a nuclear holocaust first. Does any of that sound vaguely familar?
I posted data. Your memory and feelings don't really mean as much as the data.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:22 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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perpetual retarded stupidity and ignorance
You won
-JJ
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:No.
You won
-JJ
You are incapable of reason - and it is obvious beyond any doubt.
I am capable. That is the difference between me and you (and the other millenial squealing, lazy azzed morons).
Seriously, these people are severely hindered by what the education system has done to them. Every time this comes up it is the same preposterous nonsense.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 8:33 am
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:29 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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GENERATIONS DO NOT GUIDE GOVERNMENT - INDIVIDUALS DO, YA FCKG IGNORANT AZZHOLES
If you don't understand the simple concepts being discussed in this thread, then maybe you should go educate yourself.
This is discussing population cohorts and their respective economic opportunities and behaviors. It's OK to discuss groups of people and compare them.
The cohort that was born roughly 1945-1965 has been the population dominating power roles for the past 20 years. The past 20 years have created economic, governmental, and societal difficulties for population cohorts born 1980-1995 (or so).
Further, the population cohort born 1980-1995 has faced 2 Black Swan events (2008 crash and CV19 pandemic) at critical times in their economic development paths that leave permanent scars on their economic potential.
Lastly, the national debt that has exploded under the time period where the 1945-1965 population cohor has been the dominant power group will be left to be dealt with by those born 1980 and after, while the 1945-1965 population got to enjoy the fruits of all that debt-spending over multiple decades. They ran up the credit card and the future populations have to pay for it.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not sure if you realize this but you are tricking yourself with statistics
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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Real wage growth has stalled since the 70s and inflation has destroyed the dollar's value since then. Also there are niche areas of extreme increases in prices, which, sadly, are often gatekeeper variables for society (college, housing, etc.). So you have to do more (undergrad, grad school, etc.) to make less, comparatively, and it costs a hell of a lot more to get bona fide. Then, when you spend all that extra money to get economic opportunity, you get paid less and everything else costs more. The majority of boomers had the opportunity to get unskilled jobs that didn't require degrees and support an entire family with that single salary.
This is all verifiably true and keeps getting ignored in this thread. Well one guy tried to explain it away and sounded like a tard
It’s not rocket science, if a boomer and millennial had/have the same work ethic then the millennial has to work harder or longer for the same things. And it’s weird the boomers here are getting so butthurt about that…man y’all soft.
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:45 am to DeathValley85
I think older Gen X and Boomers see this as throwing personal insults at them and the thing is, it's not really that. Just like how I explained earlier that Boomers still had to work hard, save, etc. to really maximize the benefits of their Golden opportunity. If you were lazy and spendthrift, you ended up with little to show for it (and an underrated part of this discussion is that while the Boomer posters on here may not fall into that grouping, that grouping is VERY common, which is why Boomers have refused to retire and are clogging up advancement for X/Millennials).
Posted on 2/25/22 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Cross generational comps on employment, income and wealth are nice for narrative crafting and greivance studies but you can't derive much more from it. In other words what are you leaving out?
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