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Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:14 pm to coachcrisp
I'm sure they voted for creepy Joe.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:16 pm to mouton
Desantis and it isn’t close.
Would pull so much more of the suburban housewife vote.
And frick whoever wants Desantis to be the VP
If we’re giving him up it’s not to be a damn VP.
Would pull so much more of the suburban housewife vote.
And frick whoever wants Desantis to be the VP
If we’re giving him up it’s not to be a damn VP.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:18 pm to coachcrisp
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I can't tell you how many people that I talked to leading up to the last election, told me that they couldn't bring themselves to vote for Trump, and the majority also said they wouldn't vote for Biden...now guess what those people probably did?
This is why people need to watch Inside the Numbers. They have spent weeks going over Georgia.
Georgia in 2020 is not the same as Georgia in 2008, or 2012, or even 2016. The edge Republicans once held there has been eaten away by a large expansion in the professional class demographic, minority population growth, and migration from the Northeast. All reliable democrat voting blocs.
The state is now demographically and politically very similar to North Carolina and far different than other southern states.
The Republican base isn't enough to get it done in Georgia anymore. Therefore for Republicans to win statewide they must get a large enough number of crossover votes from democrats and turn out disenfranchised low propensity voters. Trump accomplished both of those things, and was rewarded by the governor and secretary of state openly mocking and antagonizing Trump and those who voted for him. So no shite the low propensity voters had no desire to turn out to vote for candidates who hated them.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:19 pm to St Augustine
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Would pull so much more of the suburban housewife vote.
Trump won this demographic in 2016 and 2020.
And its a small demographic.
These things don't exist in a vacuum. Attempt to appeal to suburban white women, and you will alienate the low propensity working class vote. It's not a zero sum game.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:22 pm to goldennugget
quote:Wrong again.
It's not a zero sum game, this doesnt occur in a vacuum. You think Trump was turning out 30k to his rallies and every single person was there because of Trump's policies instead of his personality?
If Trump wasn't gaining any support for his personality, he would not have had the massive edge in enthusiasm.
30,000 at a rally is great. They're there because they are the far right wing conservatives, and that group want to hear insults and "red meat", but for every one of them, there a 10 or 20 that are turned off by his "approach" and personality. Of that 30,000 folks at his rally, how many do you believe would NOT have voted Republican if...say DeSantis was running?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:23 pm to goldennugget
Won’t even have to try to appeal to them. He just will.
Desantis is a very adept at throwing out enough red meat to rally his side while also not stepping on his dick like Trump so often does.
Desantis is a very adept at throwing out enough red meat to rally his side while also not stepping on his dick like Trump so often does.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:25 pm to mouton
Neither.
In 2023, we'll see some more state secretary of states unconditionally changing election rules again, that heavily favor Democrats, like what happened in 2019.
In 2023, we'll see some more state secretary of states unconditionally changing election rules again, that heavily favor Democrats, like what happened in 2019.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:25 pm to LSUbest
Trump has much more star power than Desantis. Most people I know, know who Trump is. But Desantis, some of my friends and family don't know who he is. If he runs and Trump doesn't that might actually hurt his chances winning the presidency. Some uniformed voters might think he is a Mitt Romney type and that could cause them to stay home.
You have to go with the guy that people know and understand. Trump has too much star power to not run for a second term.
You have to go with the guy that people know and understand. Trump has too much star power to not run for a second term.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:26 pm to St Augustine
quote:
Would pull so much more of the suburban housewife vote.
Great win this small demo only to lose the Hispanic vote
Sheer genius
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:27 pm to Plx1776
Which means they will swing it in a way that Harris wins.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:29 pm to mouton
Honestly it puts a pit in my stomach thinking about Trump running again. I love what he's tried to do for the country but I'm tired of the trolling and zingers and egomania. DeSantis can do all the things Trump wants to do without the complete self absorption that turns people off of Trump. I don't doubt the media will go all out on DeSantis but he'd be much harder to demonize
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:30 pm to coachcrisp
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30,000 at a rally is great. They're there because they are the far right wing conservatives, and that group want to hear insults and "red meat"
That is not true, at all
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:30 pm to SDVTiger
It is a losing strategy focusing on the Karen suburban mom vote and less on the Hispanic vote.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:31 pm to Lsuhoohoo
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A candidate will never be more hated by the left than Trump.
I don't think that's true. I think we're to the point where that's just going to be the baseline going forward. Even if it's a monoparty establishment RINO. They're going scorched earth from now on.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:32 pm to Jjdoc
quote:
Trump added roughly 15 million votes to the GOP. That's not polarizing.
quote:
and the media will go after Trump much harder than before. What say you?
The media will go after any GOP candidate. They labeled Bush a racist etc..
This board has already forgotten this. They're already looking for the easy way out now. I couldn't think of anything better than for Trump to finish out his final four years.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:32 pm to St Augustine
quote:
Won’t even have to try to appeal to them. He just will.
Desantis is a very adept at throwing out enough red meat to rally his side while also not stepping on his dick like Trump so often does.
So you are 100% sure without a doubt that DeSantis will be able to turn out the ancestral democrat rural working class vote in Southeast Ohio, the Pennsylvania T, Western Wisconsin, and Central Michigan? This group hates Republicans with a burning passion, but they made an exception for Trump. You think they are willing to make another exception?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:33 pm to Corso
Voters might not get fired up for Desantis like they did with Trump.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:36 pm to goldennugget
quote:Pal, we all know that Georgia has moved to the left in recent years because of Atlanta, BUT the state is NOT near to turning blue! Also, the two senatorial candidates that lost were pro-Trump candidates so all that crap just doesn't float!
Georgia in 2020 is not the same as Georgia in 2008, or 2012, or even 2016. The edge Republicans once held there has been eaten away by a large expansion in the professional class demographic, minority population growth, and migration from the Northeast. All reliable democrat voting blocs.
The state is now demographically and politically very similar to North Carolina and far different than other southern states.
The Republican base isn't enough to get it done in Georgia anymore. Therefore for Republicans to win statewide they must get a large enough number of crossover votes from democrats and turn out disenfranchised low propensity voters. Trump accomplished both of those things, and was rewarded by the governor and secretary of state openly mocking and antagonizing Trump and those who voted for him. So no shite the low propensity voters had no desire to turn out to vote for candidates who hated them.
To quote our demented President-"C'mon, man!"
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:36 pm to SDVTiger
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Great win this small demo only to lose the Hispanic vote
Sheer genius
And say goodbye to the working class disenfranchised vote as well.
Politics is so fluid. You have your base, which won't budge. But those outside the base, its not a vacuum. If you make gains in one group, you will lose another.
If you want to deploy the strategy publicly championed by Marco Rubio and Tim Scott and go after the suburbs and try to win states back like Virginia, you're going to have to campaign on a message that resonates with that group, and that is a message that will turn off the working class disenfranchised vote in Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennyslvania. Its going to turn off the Cuban vote in Florida and the low propensity vote in Georgia. It will also alienate the working class hispanics in Texas and Arizona.
All so you can go after a group that narrowly went Trump in 2020, but is trending further left. There are no gains to be made in the suburban women vote - all that can be done is stop the bleeding. The professional class is trending further and further left.
But what do I know, I've only provided custom market research and focus grouping for political ad campaigns for the last 4 election cycles...
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