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What Democrats Aren’t Admitting About Trump’s Record

Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Pretty good article from The Atlantic. Still from a center-left perspective, but basically makes the argument that maybe conventional wisdom needs smashing in order to evolve for the better.

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It’s 2020, and America is embroiled in not one but two catastrophic wars: one with Iran that has sucked in the entire Middle East, and another halfway across the world in North Korea sparked by Kim Jong Un test-firing nuclear-capable missiles that could hit the United States. It’s all the worse since the U.S. is waging both wars without allies, all of which have abandoned Donald Trump because of his incessant bullying.

Fortunately, this isn’t where we find ourselves today, but it’s what the president’s critics have been warning could occur if he carries on with policies that have shattered decades of conventional U.S. policy making. It’s not as if their concerns have no factual basis. The Trump administration really did come to the brink of war with Iran and North Korea. In neither case are the underlying tensions that got them there anywhere near resolved. America’s alliances are indeed in flux. But the fact that this is not our reality in 2020 is just as instructive as the fact that it could have been.

This pattern has recurred on several occasions during the Trump era: The president’s detractors foretell doom caused by one of his decisions, only to be proved wrong, and then nobody acknowledges that they got it wrong or admits that Trump’s policies have had some advantages.


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Trump’s critics have likewise divined doom each time the president has raised questions about his commitment to defending U.S. allies and demanded huge hikes in their financial contributions to collective security. Biden, for example, has warned that if Trump is reelected, “NATO will fall apart.” Similar predictions have been made as Trump pushes for new arrangements in which Japan and South Korea would cover most of the costs of stationing U.S. troops in each country.

These alliances are indeed being tested more than they have been in decades, and all these partners are now engaged in more contingency planning for a world in which they can no longer depend on U.S. protection. But the fact that the alliances haven’t yet shattered—and by some measures, certain alliances have actually grown stronger during the Trump era—reveals two realities of America’s network of alliances that the next commander in chief will confront.


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Kersti Kaljulaid, the president of Estonia, a NATO member bordering Russia and thus on the front line of fears about America’s wavering fidelity to the bloc, told me and my colleague Yara Bayoumy that it took Trump’s crass transactionalism (rather than Barack Obama and his predecessors asking “nicely”) to impress upon NATO members that they had to get serious about ramping up their own defense spending.


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“Not a single U.S. politician,” Blackwill observed, “has a coherent and convincing set of policies to cope with this eroding world order, but Trump receives nearly all the slings and arrows.”


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I would have also mentioned the hysterical predictions of a stock market meltdown if Trump were elected. That's been the wrongest of the wrong.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:49 pm to
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It’s 2020, and America is embroiled in not one but two catastrophic wars: one with Iran that has sucked in the entire Middle East, and another halfway across the world in North Korea
this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks.
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:50 pm to
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I would have also mentioned the hysterical predictions of a stock market meltdown if Trump were elected. That's been the wrongest of the wrong.



That’s my favorite one. Rather than admit they were wrong, It’s now said Obama built the economy
Posted by memphis tiger
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:51 pm to
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this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks



Did you even read the rest of the post?
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
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this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh?


The point of the article was that was what the pundits said about Trump 3 years ago despite what the reality is.
Posted by Nono
Member since Nov 2017
4820 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:52 pm to
I was promised camps.

Where are the camps ?
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:55 pm to
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I was promised camps.

Where are the camps ?



The only thing I’m upset about to be honest. I was looking forward to those camps man.
Posted by DimTigerDontHate
Member since Feb 2020
180 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:55 pm to
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That’s my favorite one. Rather than admit they were wrong, It’s now said Obama built the economy ?



He is at least partially responsible for the current state of the economy. It's a fact that nobody here seems willing to admit. We were in the shitter when he took over, he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy and has made the best of it. Unlike most of you here, I can admit when those I disagree with have done something well.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:57 pm to
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this is pure propaganda.

Bruh....
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
44181 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:58 pm to
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he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy


By any real metric, that isn’t true.
Posted by LSUMJ
BR
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:00 pm to
someone didnt read past the first paragraph
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63438 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:00 pm to
I think you missed the author’s point. He wasn’t saying it was true that we are at war.
He was referring to hyperbole.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
10144 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:16 pm to
Sorry...Obama didn't build this.
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
2367 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:44 pm to
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The Trump administration really did come to the brink of war with Iran and North Korea.
Pure horseshite.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30012 posts
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:50 pm to
You can't win a trade war with China!
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:45 pm to
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his is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks.


the only way the US gets into wars with these two countries is if we choose to wage a war on them. Neither has the capacity to wage a full scale war out of its own borders or region. We, on the other hand, have the capacity to bomb them both into the stone age from remote places... and they know it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33315 posts
Posted on 2/23/20 at 11:37 am to
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He is at least partially responsible for the current state of the economy. It's a fact that nobody here seems willing to admit. We were in the shitter when he took over, he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy and has made the best of it. Unlike most of you here, I can admit when those I disagree with have done something well.
The problem with this line of thinking is giving president's too much credit for ANYTHING. Obama didn't "bring us back up". Economy's recover after crises. They don't need politicians to do that.
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