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What Democrats Aren’t Admitting About Trump’s Record
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Pretty good article from The Atlantic. Still from a center-left perspective, but basically makes the argument that maybe conventional wisdom needs smashing in order to evolve for the better.
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I would have also mentioned the hysterical predictions of a stock market meltdown if Trump were elected. That's been the wrongest of the wrong.
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It’s 2020, and America is embroiled in not one but two catastrophic wars: one with Iran that has sucked in the entire Middle East, and another halfway across the world in North Korea sparked by Kim Jong Un test-firing nuclear-capable missiles that could hit the United States. It’s all the worse since the U.S. is waging both wars without allies, all of which have abandoned Donald Trump because of his incessant bullying.
Fortunately, this isn’t where we find ourselves today, but it’s what the president’s critics have been warning could occur if he carries on with policies that have shattered decades of conventional U.S. policy making. It’s not as if their concerns have no factual basis. The Trump administration really did come to the brink of war with Iran and North Korea. In neither case are the underlying tensions that got them there anywhere near resolved. America’s alliances are indeed in flux. But the fact that this is not our reality in 2020 is just as instructive as the fact that it could have been.
This pattern has recurred on several occasions during the Trump era: The president’s detractors foretell doom caused by one of his decisions, only to be proved wrong, and then nobody acknowledges that they got it wrong or admits that Trump’s policies have had some advantages.
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Trump’s critics have likewise divined doom each time the president has raised questions about his commitment to defending U.S. allies and demanded huge hikes in their financial contributions to collective security. Biden, for example, has warned that if Trump is reelected, “NATO will fall apart.” Similar predictions have been made as Trump pushes for new arrangements in which Japan and South Korea would cover most of the costs of stationing U.S. troops in each country.
These alliances are indeed being tested more than they have been in decades, and all these partners are now engaged in more contingency planning for a world in which they can no longer depend on U.S. protection. But the fact that the alliances haven’t yet shattered—and by some measures, certain alliances have actually grown stronger during the Trump era—reveals two realities of America’s network of alliances that the next commander in chief will confront.
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Kersti Kaljulaid, the president of Estonia, a NATO member bordering Russia and thus on the front line of fears about America’s wavering fidelity to the bloc, told me and my colleague Yara Bayoumy that it took Trump’s crass transactionalism (rather than Barack Obama and his predecessors asking “nicely”) to impress upon NATO members that they had to get serious about ramping up their own defense spending.
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“Not a single U.S. politician,” Blackwill observed, “has a coherent and convincing set of policies to cope with this eroding world order, but Trump receives nearly all the slings and arrows.”
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I would have also mentioned the hysterical predictions of a stock market meltdown if Trump were elected. That's been the wrongest of the wrong.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:49 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks.
It’s 2020, and America is embroiled in not one but two catastrophic wars: one with Iran that has sucked in the entire Middle East, and another halfway across the world in North Korea
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
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I would have also mentioned the hysterical predictions of a stock market meltdown if Trump were elected. That's been the wrongest of the wrong.
That’s my favorite one. Rather than admit they were wrong, It’s now said Obama built the economy
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:51 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks
Did you even read the rest of the post?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:52 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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this is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh?
The point of the article was that was what the pundits said about Trump 3 years ago despite what the reality is.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:52 pm to Big Scrub TX
I was promised camps.
Where are the camps ?
Where are the camps ?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:55 pm to Nono
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I was promised camps.
Where are the camps ?
The only thing I’m upset about to be honest. I was looking forward to those camps man.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:55 pm to Wild Thang
quote:He is at least partially responsible for the current state of the economy. It's a fact that nobody here seems willing to admit. We were in the shitter when he took over, he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy and has made the best of it. Unlike most of you here, I can admit when those I disagree with have done something well.
That’s my favorite one. Rather than admit they were wrong, It’s now said Obama built the economy ?
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:57 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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this is pure propaganda.
Bruh....
Posted on 2/22/20 at 3:58 pm to DimTigerDontHate
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he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy
By any real metric, that isn’t true.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:00 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
someone didnt read past the first paragraph
Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:00 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
I think you missed the author’s point. He wasn’t saying it was true that we are at war.
He was referring to hyperbole.
He was referring to hyperbole.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 4:16 pm to DimTigerDontHate
Sorry...Obama didn't build this.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:44 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Pure horseshite.
The Trump administration really did come to the brink of war with Iran and North Korea.
Posted on 2/22/20 at 5:50 pm to Big Scrub TX
You can't win a trade war with China!
Posted on 2/22/20 at 6:45 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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his is pure propaganda. 2 catastrophic wars huh? You could ask 100 random people at the mall and no one would call the situations in Iran nor NK a war, let alone some type of “catastrophic” situation. They’re also trying to imply these are new, Trump wars, forgetting they are decades old, started by our DC establishment and their think tanks.
the only way the US gets into wars with these two countries is if we choose to wage a war on them. Neither has the capacity to wage a full scale war out of its own borders or region. We, on the other hand, have the capacity to bomb them both into the stone age from remote places... and they know it.
Posted on 2/23/20 at 11:37 am to DimTigerDontHate
quote:The problem with this line of thinking is giving president's too much credit for ANYTHING. Obama didn't "bring us back up". Economy's recover after crises. They don't need politicians to do that.
He is at least partially responsible for the current state of the economy. It's a fact that nobody here seems willing to admit. We were in the shitter when he took over, he brought us back up, and Trump inherited a successful economy and has made the best of it. Unlike most of you here, I can admit when those I disagree with have done something well.
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