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What can the Arizona Attorney General actually do about the bombshell Election Day report?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:39 pm
Since it looks like the Arizona Attorney General's Office has decided that it is going to actually think about acting like it might do something the election conduct in Maricopa County, and if "bombshell allegations" are even partially true they might actually have the evidence to do something if they decide to. Can the incompetent Maricopa County officials be prosecuted? Does the law in Arizona allow for the courts throw out the election and hold a do over if the AG can show that Maricopa County's incompetence causes significant voter suppression?Can the Attorney General's Office actually do anything the allegations in the report are true or is this investigation just another dog and phony show like the Arizona senate's election audit? Would any of the PT board's alleged attorneys can to weigh in?
P.S. Before any of the attorneys ask, No you can not send me a bill if you post your opinion.
P.S. Before any of the attorneys ask, No you can not send me a bill if you post your opinion.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:42 pm to WeeWee
If the people aren’t in the streets protesting in large mass, nothing will happen. They need to block interstates, roadways and etc. Make their presence and numbers known.
Then reality set in and I realize nothing will happen. Evidently, it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet.
Then reality set in and I realize nothing will happen. Evidently, it hasn’t gotten bad enough yet.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:44 pm to WeeWee
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Can the incompetent Maricopa County officials be prosecuted?
Enormously high bar to prosecute elected officials for performance of their duties. Incompetence alone will never reach that bar.
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Does the law in Arizona allow for the courts throw out the election and hold a do over if the AG can show that Maricopa County's incompetence causes significant voter suppression?
I don’t know specifically, but I don’t know of any law in any state or jurisdiction that allows elections to be “re done” , especially after they are certified by the relevant authority (Sec of State, etc). Could be wrong though I doubt we have any AZ lawyers on here who can answer that with specificity.
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Can the Attorney General's Office actually do anything the allegations in the report are true or is this investigation just another dog and phony show like the Arizona senate's election audit?
Yes to both.
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Before any of the attorneys ask, No you can not send me a bill if you post your opinion.
Well frick.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:57 pm to Indefatigable
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I don’t know specifically, but I don’t know of any law in any state or jurisdiction that allows elections to be “re done” , especially after they are certified by the relevant authority (Sec of State, etc). Could be wrong though I doubt we have any AZ lawyers on here who can answer that with specificity.
There have been some cases where judges have voided the results of local elections because of significant irregularities or fraud so it can be done if the Arizona AG can present a strong enough case and a judge has the spine to do it. Also Cochise and Maricopa Counties have delayed certification of their results until after the date they have to respond to the AG. Could the AG's Office get an injunction to keep them from certifying if the AG thinks there is enough proof to proceed?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 3:59 pm to WeeWee
It’s a bit hypocritical to claim long lines to be a serious allegation when we’ve spent years downplaying those same complaints from Democrats in other states.
I doubt there’s a law in AZ, or any state, that would allow for a re-do of the election. As for the faulty tabulators, they’d have to prove votes affected by that were never counted. From what I’ve read those were eventually counted. If ballots tabulated correspond to ballots issued at each precinct match up, there is no issue.
I doubt there’s a law in AZ, or any state, that would allow for a re-do of the election. As for the faulty tabulators, they’d have to prove votes affected by that were never counted. From what I’ve read those were eventually counted. If ballots tabulated correspond to ballots issued at each precinct match up, there is no issue.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:03 pm to WeeWee
You've got 2 things going on - (1) who becomes the next governor; and (2) if there is shady shite that happened, what happens to the people who did the shady.
1- Regarding who becomes governor: My understanding of the AZ Law is that the election MUST be certified by AG and the Secretary of State. So the AG may refuse to certify the election, which apparently the AG has already done. So, even assuming that Katie Hobbs has more "votes" (i.e. ballots) in her favor in the horse race, she is not the winner and cannot legally become governor of Arizona. I do not know if the law will require that (1) they hold another election or (2) require an audit or recount that would permit the AG to certify the results - but there is no governor elect at the moment. I don't know what the statute says about how they select a new governor if the result isn't certified. Both Hobbs and Lake should be entitled to a declaratory judgment from the Court if the law is unclear on what happens if the election cannot be certified, but I have a feeling that with respect to the "who becomes governor and how" the statute probably spells out what to do next.
2- If shady shite happened If this Bill Gaetz guy (which WTF on that name) or others were engaged in election frickery, such as deliberately sabotaging the machines, or if 3rd parties (like democrats or RINOs or Cindy McCain) manipulated the machines, the AG could open a criminal investigation. Legislatures don't prosecute people, prosecutors do. Interestingly, I'm not sure what happened in their AG race but if Hamedeh got elected Gaetz needs to be nervous about being prosecuted.
Otherwise, if this can be blamed on just simple, typical government stupid, nothing will happen. It's impossible to fire people who work for the government, or to arrest them for laziness, which is why people who work for the government are lazy. There's no consequences for screwing up. It's even worse when the lazy person is elected. I think the Maricopa elections idiots are elected. If they're appointed - and Lake wins, she can fire their dumbasses. Stupid is a defense for government.
1- Regarding who becomes governor: My understanding of the AZ Law is that the election MUST be certified by AG and the Secretary of State. So the AG may refuse to certify the election, which apparently the AG has already done. So, even assuming that Katie Hobbs has more "votes" (i.e. ballots) in her favor in the horse race, she is not the winner and cannot legally become governor of Arizona. I do not know if the law will require that (1) they hold another election or (2) require an audit or recount that would permit the AG to certify the results - but there is no governor elect at the moment. I don't know what the statute says about how they select a new governor if the result isn't certified. Both Hobbs and Lake should be entitled to a declaratory judgment from the Court if the law is unclear on what happens if the election cannot be certified, but I have a feeling that with respect to the "who becomes governor and how" the statute probably spells out what to do next.
2- If shady shite happened If this Bill Gaetz guy (which WTF on that name) or others were engaged in election frickery, such as deliberately sabotaging the machines, or if 3rd parties (like democrats or RINOs or Cindy McCain) manipulated the machines, the AG could open a criminal investigation. Legislatures don't prosecute people, prosecutors do. Interestingly, I'm not sure what happened in their AG race but if Hamedeh got elected Gaetz needs to be nervous about being prosecuted.
Otherwise, if this can be blamed on just simple, typical government stupid, nothing will happen. It's impossible to fire people who work for the government, or to arrest them for laziness, which is why people who work for the government are lazy. There's no consequences for screwing up. It's even worse when the lazy person is elected. I think the Maricopa elections idiots are elected. If they're appointed - and Lake wins, she can fire their dumbasses. Stupid is a defense for government.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:10 pm to WeeWee
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There have been some cases where judges have voided the results of local elections because of significant irregularities or fraud so it can be done if the Arizona AG can present a strong enough case and a judge has the spine to do it.
I could see that. However my question would then be is the position filled via the laws on vacant offices, or is there actually a re-election. I can’t speak for sure, but IMO courts would be hesitant to hold another full election without it being expressly called for by law when there is a vacancy, knowing the burden it would administratively place on the public authority, and knowing that turnout would be much lower than the original election.
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Could the AG's Office get an injunction to keep them from certifying if the AG thinks there is enough proof to proceed?
I would think that the State (be it the AG or SOS—whomever holds ultimately jurisdiction over elections in AZ) would be able to hold any certification in that instance since the state is the ultimate authority, with the counties just doing the leg work for federal or statewide elections. But that’s just a gut feeling.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:12 pm to TomJoadGhost
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TomJoadGhost
Look another one!
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:15 pm to WeeWee
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bombshell Election Day report
Long lines is a bombshell report?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:20 pm to wryder1
Bunch of Antifa soy boy cucks can burn down billions of property all over the US including in D.C. - WTF can't the other side do the same to eliminate all the CORRUPTION?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:23 pm to Wednesday
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1- Regarding who becomes governor: My understanding of the AZ Law is that the election MUST be certified by AG and the Secretary of State. So the AG may refuse to certify the election, which apparently the AG has already done. So, even assuming that Katie Hobbs has more "votes" (i.e. ballots) in her favor in the horse race, she is not the winner and cannot legally become governor of Arizona. I do not know if the law will require that (1) they hold another election or (2) require an audit or recount that would permit the AG to certify the results - but there is no governor elect at the moment. I don't know what the statute says about how they select a new governor if the result isn't certified. Both Hobbs and Lake should be entitled to a declaratory judgment from the Court if the law is unclear on what happens if the election cannot be certified, but I have a feeling that with respect to the "who becomes governor and how" the statute probably spells out what to do next.
I just looked into it. Apparently the results of an election in Arizona can be contested.
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A. Any elector of the state may contest the election of any person declared elected to a state office, or declared nominated to a state office at a primary election, or the declared result of an initiated or referred measure, or a proposal to amend the Constitution of Arizona, or other question or proposal submitted to vote of the people, upon any of the following grounds:
1. For misconduct on the part of election boards or any members thereof in any of the counties of the state, or on the part of any officer making or participating in a canvass for a state election.
2. That the person whose right to the office is contested was not at the time of the election eligible to the office.
3. That the person whose right is contested, or any person acting for him, has given to an elector, inspector, judge or clerk of election, a bribe or reward, or has offered such bribe or reward for the purpose of procuring his election, or has committed any other offense against the elective franchise.
4. On account of illegal votes.
5. That by reason of erroneous count of votes the person declared elected or the initiative or referred measure, or proposal to amend the constitution, or other question or proposal submitted, which has been declared carried, did not in fact receive the highest number of votes for the office or a sufficient number of votes to carry the measure, amendment, question or proposal.
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A. In any contest brought under the provisions of section 16-672 or 16-674, upon the filing of the answer, or if no answer is filed, upon the expiration of the time specified in the summons, the court shall set a time for the hearing of the contest, not later than ten days after the date on which the statement of contest was filed, which may be continued for not to exceed five days for good cause shown.
B. The court shall continue in session to hear and determine all issues arising in contested elections. After hearing the proofs and allegations of the parties, and within five days after the submission thereof, the court shall file its findings and immediately thereafter shall pronounce judgment, either confirming or annulling and setting aside the election.
C. If in an election contest it appears that a person other than the contestee has the highest number of legal votes, the court shall declare that person elected and that the certificate of election of the person whose office is contested is of no further legal force or effect.
Damn if I am reading that right, the courts have the power to throw out the election results. Again if I am reading the law right. If the AG or Lake or Masters challenge the election results in court (and assuming the judge is objective and is not a party hack) they would only have to prove that misconduct occurred, but they would not have to prove that the misconduct affected the vote total.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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bombshell Election Day report
Long lines is a bombshell report?
No but > 50% of tabulation machines malfunctioning is a bombshell (if true). Also mixing untabulated ballots in with ballots that have been tabulated is a bombshell (if true).
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:26 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Long lines is a bombshell report?
The machines didn’t work at 70 percent of voting locations
That’s a wee bit of a problem
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:27 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Long lines is a bombshell report?
Marc Elias is shitting himself trying to get out in front of this. I would say this is a bombshell in itself.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:27 pm to Wednesday
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This would be epic.
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Wednesday
Please put your vibrator away and read the laws and tell me if I am reading the laws correctly.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:29 pm to WeeWee
Do revote in counties that had printer issues. But those not stupid can see this was their plan all along, they figured that the end game is to have bad vote pages that they could then adjudicate or throw out so they invented printer issues to do just that.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 4:44 pm to WeeWee
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No but > 50% of tabulation machines malfunctioning is a bombshell (if true). Also mixing untabulated ballots in with ballots that have been tabulated is a bombshell (if true).
If they are true and actually impacted vote totals. Right now, all that is really known is it caused delays and long lines.
After reading what you posted on Arizona law, it doesn't look like it provides for calling a new election. The judge has the power to declare the other person the winner if it is shown in evidence that they had the highest number of legal votes.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:06 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Long lines is a bombshell report?
So you think this was what was afoul?
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:12 pm to WeeWee
He is just trying to get more money from the CCP or its stooges. He won't do anything.
Or, he will get threatened or maybe have a relative or would be future son-n-law die in a car explosion.
Or, he will get threatened or maybe have a relative or would be future son-n-law die in a car explosion.
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