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re: What can be done to fix our criminal justice system?

Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
7305 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to
Nothing will change until the culture changes. This is what happens when violent criminals and entertainers promoting that lifestyle are held up as role models.
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
6801 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to
Liberal logic - Criminals go free, un-vax'd should be imprisoned.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18301 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:45 am to
Years ago, Gary Johnson suggested that if a person appealed a conviction on death row and lost, their waiting time should be expedited for execution.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112359 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:48 am to
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Years ago, Gary Johnson suggested that if a person appealed a conviction on death row and lost, their waiting time should be expedited for execution.


And their healthy organs should be harvested to save innocent lives.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
MissLou, La
Member since Sep 2010
13197 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:49 am to
A media that doesn’t make martyrs and saints out of crooks and criminals would be a small step in the right direction.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10372 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:51 am to
Get people working. It's amazing how little time people have when they are forced to work for food, shelter, power, water, cell phones, transportation, etc.

Labour camps - Americans don't want to do these jobs? Sounds perfect for the labour camps.
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
22173 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:52 am to
Eliminate for profit prisons and police activities.

Enforcing laws against violent crime and crimes with true victims is a loss for police departments and govt. enforcing laws that allow you to seize property (mostly drugs) is profitable and comes with lots of grants and is incentivized.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:54 am to
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We need more jails, not less.

There are lots of people locked up that shouldn’t be, and more people not locked up that should be.

If you are convicted of a violent crime, especially in commission of a robbery, I see no reason why you shouldn’t be guaranteed 20+ years in prison.

Violence is where we have to draw the line as a society.

Put our criminal justice resources to work solving violence, and I believe the rest falls in line.
I agree with more jails that are less crowded. Right now we just group in gang members with early defenders in a horrible system that creates more criminals.

Jail is a punitive measure, but it shouldn't be absolutely life threatening like it is now.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26560 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:01 am to
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Jail is a punitive measure,


I think we should change this narrative as well.

Jail should be a punitive AND segregation measure.

More than punishment, prison should be a way to keep criminals locked up and off the streets.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:09 am to
Nothing, as it stands presently.

Since the overall system that holds sway over it has allowed it to reach what could very well be an irretrievable state.

Something that can't be redressed through praying and voting.

Nobody forced these "constituencies" in the cities to vote over and over again for these Soros-funded D.A.'s and other dissolute politicians under indictment.

So how do you "fix" something that is so grassroots, basic, cultural, and psychological.

Add to it the "social theorists" the propaganda mills have been turning out in droves with degrees and finding their way into the levels of gov't.

Change the collective psyches as they are presently and maybe in two generations this could be reversed.

But it all starts at the socialization level, something the Left has been working on diligently for three generations.

So is anyone aware of a governmental or private entity dedicated to what would be a monumental task.

This is what was inevitable with a populace that has been asleep for three generations, and in the name of "keeping the peace" didn't want to stop it in its tracks at the very beginning.

Now look what we've got.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
9195 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:13 am to
Stop democrats from intentionally trying to collapse the justice system.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:13 am to
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think we should change this narrative as well.

Jail should be a punitive AND segregation measure.

More than punishment, prison should be a way to keep criminals locked up and off the streets

It is punitive in that you are segregated from society and lose a bunch of freedoms. However you shouldn't be looking over your shoulder for violence from other inmates.

I don't get the bs complaints about being isolated by all of the J6 prisoners and people like Manafort who was basically given a bedroom suite. I am sure a lot of non-violent criminals would sign up for that instead of gen pop.

Give the average criminal the opportunity to isolate from the gang members and really work on life skills.
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
Texas
Member since Sep 2021
1511 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:20 am to
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Get rid of Soros.


Lol, every mention of getting rid of Soros has one down vote. Wish the person would explain one good thing about the evil POS. I'm guessing they're probably one of his paid SJW's.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34825 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:21 am to
Sadly, there is no "fix". The 'criminals' believe that the (Constitutional) System is criminal, and that their 'criminality' is justified. About 40% of the populous believes this too. And that 40% includes the Deep State, MSM, Corporate High Tech, Academia, most State and Fed Bureaucrats (job-related), Immigrants (subsidy related) and most of the World. The 'World' is jealous of US prosperity and power and want to see us bridled/brought down.

It's akin to the Titanic dynamics...they saw the iceberg from far away, but the mass, momentum and aerodynamics prevented a successful turn.

Sadly, the only alternative to a Leftist Fascist/Socialist Authoritarian State is a Right Wing 'Dictatorship'. The Left will simply employ Constitutional Rights to take down efforts to preserve Constitutional Principle (Inalienable Rights come from God).

This ship has sailed.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
7700 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:21 am to
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Don’t put people who only hurt themselves in jail like drug users.


You really think that drug users hurt only themselves? What about their kids? What about their families? What about their parents? What about their creditors? This list could go on and on.
Posted by tigerjjs
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2006
1238 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:23 am to
First, expand capacity in our mental institutions. Get the mentally ill out of jails and off the streets. Crime will decrease and more room will open up in the prison system for violent offenders.
Next, strengthen Castle Doctrine. Allow home/business owners to aggressively defend with minimal fear of legal retribution. Ie. “ Looters will be shot on sight.”
Posted by LakeCharles
USA
Member since Oct 2016
5047 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:23 am to
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What honestly can be done?

This is actually pretty easy to solve. If a criminal is released, those involved with the release are accessories to any crime committed following the release. This means that if there are circumstances where someone is obviously not a threat they can be released but the BS catch and release goes away, or the cause of the systemic catch and release goes away.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26560 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:31 am to
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If a criminal is released, those involved with the release are accessories to any crime committed following the release.


This is dumb and unrealistic
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
8211 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:32 am to
"In discussions with lawyers, cops, judges, etc, it seems to me that resources in the court systems are either too low, mismanaged or both. This is dictating policies of quick release and lenient plea bargains."

Of course they are going to blame it on the resources. One only has to look at other countries and how they handle crime to see what works.

Portugal has the best laws regarding drug use. Very effective!! Check out the Portuguese Model for Drug Crime.

The Middle East certainly has very low crime rates.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26560 posts
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:33 am to
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You really think that drug users hurt only themselves?


Of course they hurt other people in an emotional and social sense, but that’s not a crime.

I do think we should have more mental institutions and rehab centers, and people should be forced into them in lieu of prison.
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