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re: What can be done to fix our criminal justice system?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Nothing will change until the culture changes. This is what happens when violent criminals and entertainers promoting that lifestyle are held up as role models.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:44 am to Zach
Liberal logic - Criminals go free, un-vax'd should be imprisoned.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:45 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Years ago, Gary Johnson suggested that if a person appealed a conviction on death row and lost, their waiting time should be expedited for execution.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:48 am to RollTide4Ever
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Years ago, Gary Johnson suggested that if a person appealed a conviction on death row and lost, their waiting time should be expedited for execution.
And their healthy organs should be harvested to save innocent lives.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:49 am to Bjorn Cyborg
A media that doesn’t make martyrs and saints out of crooks and criminals would be a small step in the right direction.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:51 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Get people working. It's amazing how little time people have when they are forced to work for food, shelter, power, water, cell phones, transportation, etc.
Labour camps - Americans don't want to do these jobs? Sounds perfect for the labour camps.
Labour camps - Americans don't want to do these jobs? Sounds perfect for the labour camps.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:52 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Eliminate for profit prisons and police activities.
Enforcing laws against violent crime and crimes with true victims is a loss for police departments and govt. enforcing laws that allow you to seize property (mostly drugs) is profitable and comes with lots of grants and is incentivized.
Enforcing laws against violent crime and crimes with true victims is a loss for police departments and govt. enforcing laws that allow you to seize property (mostly drugs) is profitable and comes with lots of grants and is incentivized.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:I agree with more jails that are less crowded. Right now we just group in gang members with early defenders in a horrible system that creates more criminals.
We need more jails, not less.
There are lots of people locked up that shouldn’t be, and more people not locked up that should be.
If you are convicted of a violent crime, especially in commission of a robbery, I see no reason why you shouldn’t be guaranteed 20+ years in prison.
Violence is where we have to draw the line as a society.
Put our criminal justice resources to work solving violence, and I believe the rest falls in line.
Jail is a punitive measure, but it shouldn't be absolutely life threatening like it is now.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:01 am to mmcgrath
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Jail is a punitive measure,
I think we should change this narrative as well.
Jail should be a punitive AND segregation measure.
More than punishment, prison should be a way to keep criminals locked up and off the streets.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Nothing, as it stands presently.
Since the overall system that holds sway over it has allowed it to reach what could very well be an irretrievable state.
Something that can't be redressed through praying and voting.
Nobody forced these "constituencies" in the cities to vote over and over again for these Soros-funded D.A.'s and other dissolute politicians under indictment.
So how do you "fix" something that is so grassroots, basic, cultural, and psychological.
Add to it the "social theorists" the propaganda mills have been turning out in droves with degrees and finding their way into the levels of gov't.
Change the collective psyches as they are presently and maybe in two generations this could be reversed.
But it all starts at the socialization level, something the Left has been working on diligently for three generations.
So is anyone aware of a governmental or private entity dedicated to what would be a monumental task.
This is what was inevitable with a populace that has been asleep for three generations, and in the name of "keeping the peace" didn't want to stop it in its tracks at the very beginning.
Now look what we've got.
Since the overall system that holds sway over it has allowed it to reach what could very well be an irretrievable state.
Something that can't be redressed through praying and voting.
Nobody forced these "constituencies" in the cities to vote over and over again for these Soros-funded D.A.'s and other dissolute politicians under indictment.
So how do you "fix" something that is so grassroots, basic, cultural, and psychological.
Add to it the "social theorists" the propaganda mills have been turning out in droves with degrees and finding their way into the levels of gov't.
Change the collective psyches as they are presently and maybe in two generations this could be reversed.
But it all starts at the socialization level, something the Left has been working on diligently for three generations.
So is anyone aware of a governmental or private entity dedicated to what would be a monumental task.
This is what was inevitable with a populace that has been asleep for three generations, and in the name of "keeping the peace" didn't want to stop it in its tracks at the very beginning.
Now look what we've got.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Stop democrats from intentionally trying to collapse the justice system.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:
think we should change this narrative as well.
Jail should be a punitive AND segregation measure.
More than punishment, prison should be a way to keep criminals locked up and off the streets
It is punitive in that you are segregated from society and lose a bunch of freedoms. However you shouldn't be looking over your shoulder for violence from other inmates.
I don't get the bs complaints about being isolated by all of the J6 prisoners and people like Manafort who was basically given a bedroom suite. I am sure a lot of non-violent criminals would sign up for that instead of gen pop.
Give the average criminal the opportunity to isolate from the gang members and really work on life skills.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:20 am to LSUbest
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Get rid of Soros.
Lol, every mention of getting rid of Soros has one down vote. Wish the person would explain one good thing about the evil POS. I'm guessing they're probably one of his paid SJW's.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:21 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Sadly, there is no "fix". The 'criminals' believe that the (Constitutional) System is criminal, and that their 'criminality' is justified. About 40% of the populous believes this too. And that 40% includes the Deep State, MSM, Corporate High Tech, Academia, most State and Fed Bureaucrats (job-related), Immigrants (subsidy related) and most of the World. The 'World' is jealous of US prosperity and power and want to see us bridled/brought down.
It's akin to the Titanic dynamics...they saw the iceberg from far away, but the mass, momentum and aerodynamics prevented a successful turn.
Sadly, the only alternative to a Leftist Fascist/Socialist Authoritarian State is a Right Wing 'Dictatorship'. The Left will simply employ Constitutional Rights to take down efforts to preserve Constitutional Principle (Inalienable Rights come from God).
This ship has sailed.
It's akin to the Titanic dynamics...they saw the iceberg from far away, but the mass, momentum and aerodynamics prevented a successful turn.
Sadly, the only alternative to a Leftist Fascist/Socialist Authoritarian State is a Right Wing 'Dictatorship'. The Left will simply employ Constitutional Rights to take down efforts to preserve Constitutional Principle (Inalienable Rights come from God).
This ship has sailed.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:21 am to bird35
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Don’t put people who only hurt themselves in jail like drug users.
You really think that drug users hurt only themselves? What about their kids? What about their families? What about their parents? What about their creditors? This list could go on and on.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:23 am to Eightballjacket
First, expand capacity in our mental institutions. Get the mentally ill out of jails and off the streets. Crime will decrease and more room will open up in the prison system for violent offenders.
Next, strengthen Castle Doctrine. Allow home/business owners to aggressively defend with minimal fear of legal retribution. Ie. “ Looters will be shot on sight.”
Next, strengthen Castle Doctrine. Allow home/business owners to aggressively defend with minimal fear of legal retribution. Ie. “ Looters will be shot on sight.”
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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What honestly can be done?
This is actually pretty easy to solve. If a criminal is released, those involved with the release are accessories to any crime committed following the release. This means that if there are circumstances where someone is obviously not a threat they can be released but the BS catch and release goes away, or the cause of the systemic catch and release goes away.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:31 am to LakeCharles
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If a criminal is released, those involved with the release are accessories to any crime committed following the release.
This is dumb and unrealistic
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:32 am to Bjorn Cyborg
"In discussions with lawyers, cops, judges, etc, it seems to me that resources in the court systems are either too low, mismanaged or both. This is dictating policies of quick release and lenient plea bargains."
Of course they are going to blame it on the resources. One only has to look at other countries and how they handle crime to see what works.
Portugal has the best laws regarding drug use. Very effective!! Check out the Portuguese Model for Drug Crime.
The Middle East certainly has very low crime rates.
Of course they are going to blame it on the resources. One only has to look at other countries and how they handle crime to see what works.
Portugal has the best laws regarding drug use. Very effective!! Check out the Portuguese Model for Drug Crime.
The Middle East certainly has very low crime rates.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 10:33 am to BFIV
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You really think that drug users hurt only themselves?
Of course they hurt other people in an emotional and social sense, but that’s not a crime.
I do think we should have more mental institutions and rehab centers, and people should be forced into them in lieu of prison.
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