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What are Trump's actual options at this point and what are the consequences?

Posted on 4/16/18 at 12:29 pm
Posted by epbart
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 12:29 pm
I started this as a reply in the "Trump is awake and tweeting" thread in response to Starsandstripes saying Trump needs to stop tweeting and start acting, but figure this is better as a stand alone thread, and am curious as to how much latitude Trump has to act at this point:

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@starsandstripes: Serious question (I find you to be far more knowledgeable than me in the political / military sphere and respect your takes):

Do you think he could legit clean house in the DOJ and what do you think the potential fallout for him would be?

With hindsight, if I were him, upon taking office I would have:

1) Immediately evaluated who major players in the DOJ were (FBI, CIA, etc.) and determined how they acted in matters related to Clinton, Obama, Bush, etc.

2) Quickly fired Comey, McCabe, Rosenstein and others in the FBI alone under the pretext of cleaning house and implementing new direction. It would have been practically and optically (in the public view) along the lines of "draining the swamp", which would have had a lot of support (in contrast to now, when it could be viewed as a vendetta or possible obstruction). There might have been an uproar in the short term from the press, but it would probably be less damaging in the long term than letting your enemies slowly and publicly weaken you day after day.

It bears mentioning again-- WITH HINDSIGHT-- this is what I'd have liked to have done if it were at all legal. (I'm not 100% sure he can just fire other top people the way he fired Comey... which is another question?) But the Russian collusion narrative was already being pushed as Trump assumed office, so I think it would have been smart for him to identify all potential angles for "them" (whoever they be) to come after him and to have drained those parts of the swamp with everything at his disposal.

Do you think he can still effectively do something to this end? (some sort of cleaning house at the top levels) Or, has he waited too long and given "them" the upper hand? I almost think he has. He would've been fine if Mueller were restricted to investigating Russian collusion (a non-issue / an issue for which Clinton has far dirtier hands), but as Bannon somewhat predicted, the special counsel for collusion seems like a subterfuge to dig for other dirt (finances, etc.).

With regards to Sessions, I think I've heard some posters here say not to fire him because that practically puts Rosenstein in charge of the FBI since Congress would slow play or deny any new appointee. This doesn't quite make sense to me:
1) Isn't Wray technically in charge? (though his name is curiously never mentioned... no idea what's going on there or where his allegiance lies... what has he been up to?)
2) Sessions isn't checking Rosenstein as it is.
3) Why not fire both Sessions & Rosenstein (or re-assign Rosenstein)? Congress might not like him firing Sessions and might not approve someone new, but what can they really do if he just fires or re-assigns top level people until he has people he wants in place?

So, what are Trump's best options at this point in time and what are the consequences? And what are the better odds: Let your enemies continue to investigate and hope they don't find anything to avoid a potential attempt to impeach if the House of Reps gets the numbers (and they may try regardless) - or - fire everyone you can who doesn't share your vision and weather the backlash with a slightly higher likelihood that you might face impeachment down the road?

FWIW, full disclosure on my personal stance: I'm only mildly pro-Trump, as I generally have been with outsiders who try to jump from business to politics out of frustration of incompetence and corruption. I have no doubts that Trump is dirty and has skeletons (business & personal) that could get him into trouble. But, if allowed to operate, I think he would try to do what's best for the country just to prove he could do it and be remembered as a good President... Pride is generally a self-interested sin, so it's ironic that Trump's pride could motivate him to be a good public servant, but that's how I see it.
Posted by dkreller
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 12:55 pm to
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What are Trump's actual options at this point


2 more scoops
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and what are the consequences?

6.5 more years of sky screaming
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29639 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:08 pm to
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What are Trump's actual options at this point



best option - make fun of this shitshow

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what are the consequences?


more angst from the media and their sycophants
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13493 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:17 pm to
Mueller etc. have nothing.

After they indict Trump’s Florida grounds keeper for over watering the greens, the investigation will stop.

And then in the DOJ, FBI, etc:



If you attack the king, you had better kill him!
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:18 pm
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:18 pm to
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So, what are Trump's best options at this point in time and what are the consequences?

I think it depends....

if he has nothing to hide, then do nothing. Let the investigation proceed. Trumped up charges will be easily fought by everyone.

If he has something to hide, go scorched earth. Fire everyone, and then use the new AG to shut down the office of special counsel. Hope the Ds don't win in the fall.

eta: I think the fact that the SDNY has the cohen bit, Trump might not be able to shut down SDNY and OSC at the same time.
This post was edited on 4/16/18 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:30 pm to
To protect his political hide, he needs to get rid of Sessions and his absurd recusal, then bring someone in at AG who is squeaky clean but will look out for his best interests.

Rosenstein is not a bad actor in any of this, as far as I can see, no matter how much Hannity and GP try to smear him. He is simply deferring to Mueller and the established protocols of the DOJ as he has known it for his entire career.

The best thing for the American people would be a top to bottom clearout and refresh of the FBI and AG office and a disbanding of the CIA and NSA, ending their existence entirely.

Unfortunately, the third is impossible.
Posted by Uncs
Member since Aug 2008
3080 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:32 pm to
How about we have better choice of presidential candidates for the next election. Someone other than existing politicians. With the deep state being so jacked up thank God we have Trump.
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:34 pm to
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then bring someone in at AG who is squeaky clean but will look out for his best interests.


While the AG serves at the pleasure of the president, he should be looking out for the best interests of the country not the president.

Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2924 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 1:43 pm to
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if he has nothing to hide, then do nothing. Let the investigation proceed. Trumped up charges will be easily fought by everyone.


I tentatively agree-- if he has nothing to hide. I do suspect he's not squeaky clean, and if there is something to hide, it's apparent that his enemies are going to push to expand the investigation any way they can until they can find it.

... because of that, my gut says he should be going scorched earth.

Plus I get the feeling that with every passing day he doesn't go scorched earth, the crimes of others are being buried more deeply or somehow lost, which makes draining the swamp less likely.

Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2924 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:03 pm to
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While the AG serves at the pleasure of the president, he should be looking out for the best interests of the country not the president.


Definitely true. It should be that way.

I try to take news from both sides with a grain of salt, but it's hard to not believe there was a level of collusion and cover up between Obama, Clinton, Lynch, Holder, Comey, Brennan, McCabe, etc., which has been damaging to the country (hence, why AG/DOJ should be independent). Someone last night had a nice ranting post about it...
LINK
... followed up a few posts later by someone telling this poster he forgot to mention how the DOJ was giving out immunity like candy to everyone around Clinton while demanding nothing in return.

When you see that... how-- let's call it the DOJ in general-- let one side go, yet digs deeper and deeper on the other side based on a false original premise... it's a huge concern. And if you want to correct it (clean house / drain the swamp), it's hard to imagine doing so without getting rid of a lot of rot at the top.

In fairness to the poster you quoted, he did say the new AG should be "squeaky clean"... not just an ally. But in Trump's case, I think he needs to have an ally in that position. Not someone who will give him unfair privilege, but an ally. I mean, Sessions is squeaky clean, but is not standing up to fight against what appears to be a strong bias on the part of the DOJ to run as far as they can with a flimsy case until they can make something else stick to the wall.
Posted by ngadawg250
Northwest Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
1000 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:09 pm to
Could you please elaborate? It's hard to gain understanding from such a brief OP.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44003 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:12 pm to
Flip...

“And I have to give the FBI credit. That was so bad what happened originally,” Trump said, referring to Comey’s announcement in July to not recommend charges against Clinton to the Justice Department. “And it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution. You know that. It took a lot of guts.”

Trump, who was highly critical of Comey, the FBI and DOJ after his summer announcement, said Monday he “really disagreed with him” at the time.

“I was not his fan,” he added, “but I’ll tell you what: What he did, he brought back his reputation. He brought it back.”

...flop.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44003 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:16 pm to
That's the problem, Trump puts his people in place, then it turns out they're bad people. What's the point of draining the swamp if you're intending on just filling it up again?

"only the best people..."

"...until I don't like them any more."
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:17 pm to
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I do suspect he's not squeaky clean

I would suggest this is definitely the case.

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it's apparent that his enemies are going to push to expand the investigation any way they can until they can find it.

Well the russia shite is goign to percolate until trump is out of office. Democrats will likely gain control of the house in the fall, they will harp on it running up to 2020.

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... because of that, my gut says he should be going scorched earth.


I am firmly in the trump sucks fricking donkey balls, and I think this is best option to get out the mess. I don't think it fixes the issue, but it will buy him a few more months. The truth will come out. It is just whether it comes from Mueller or the house or some other means.

This shite isn't going away that is for sure.

Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 2:48 pm to
Most of what Trump does is ego based and acts of self-interest. Executives always work to protect themselves through obfuscation and legal buffers. There's nothing wrong when assessing what is best for Trump separately from what is best for the country.

I do think there is some overlap though, because having a DOJ and opposition party + media in open revolt against a sitting president is terrible for the current and future health of our country and wonderful for our enemies.

Even if Trump was guilty of something, deposing him as president would do 1000x as much damage to the fabric of our nation and our government institutions than whatever he might have done. The well has been poisoned; if Trump brought in his own Loretta Lynch to narrow the scope of the SC to just Russian election interference and not personal smears of the Trump family and associates, it would not be a bad thing for the country.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
11738 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 4:16 pm to
He could move in with Stormy or......

Move to Russia and become a spy.....

Being a Mafia boss he could put out a hit on Mueller...

or he could just make America great again which he has been doing since he was elected
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48225 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:55 pm to
Trump doesn't need to fire anybody. He can pardon everybody including himself.
Posted by Tigerdev
Member since Feb 2013
12287 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:58 pm to
I don't think there is an option to kill the investigation which doesn't guarantee a one term Presidency.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64066 posts
Posted on 4/16/18 at 5:58 pm to
Well said
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