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re: Weren't we supposed to be on the moon again* by now?
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:31 am to Thundercles
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:31 am to Thundercles
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With immeasurable technology advancement we can't even get an unmanned rocket off the ground now.
huh? Space X not only sends them up, but brings them back down and parks them...
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:38 am to Smeg
Guy seems really stupid. I'm not going to try to lead his horse to water anymore.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:53 am to jonnyanony
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Guy seems really stupid. I'm not going to try to lead his horse to water anymore.
I guess there's really no point in us arguing much either. Obliviously, I wasn't there, so I can't know definitively if we made it to the moon or not.
My position is simply:
1.) It wouldn't have been *that difficult* to fake then.
2.) It would have been very difficult for regular people to disprove back then.
3.) The US would have the motive, means, and opportunity to fake it then.
4.) Based on current tech, it almost seems impossible on tech from then.
5.) Based on current tech, it would be very difficult to safely fake again today and not be disproven.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:59 am to Smeg
Well other countries are still planning human moon missions, we can pick those apart when they happen (or don't).
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:11 am to GamecockUltimate
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Space X not only sends them up, but brings them back down and parks them...
I know they do this, and I'm impressed by it. Even these guys just go into orbit. I'm mostly skeptical that the US government, with all the resources they want and years and years of planning and having done it multiple times 50 years ago, have still failed to even get an unmanned moon rocket to launch.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:21 am to Thundercles
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have still failed to even get an unmanned moon rocket to launch.
I'm not sure what this means? NASA and other countries have had many moon missions in the last fifty years.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 1:11 pm to jonnyanony
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I'm not sure what this means?
It means he is "all in" on the faked Moon landing theory and no amount of evidence will budge him.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 10/4/22 at 1:37 pm to Smeg
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1.) It wouldn't have been *that difficult* to fake then.
Okay. Why did they "fake" Apollo 1, then?
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2.) It would have been very difficult for regular people to disprove back then.
But, not scientists in Russia, Switzerland, China, etc., right?
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3.) The US would have the motive, means, and opportunity to fake it then.
This isn't evidence of anything. This is a truism.
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4.) Based on current tech, it almost seems impossible on tech from then.
No. What you're mistaking is capability versus logistics. In order to go to the Moon, a massive infrastructure was built over the course of a decade. Personnel, engineers, manufacturing, communications, command and control, etc., all had to be in place to perform those missions. All that was scaled way, way back in the shuttle era and even then, cost was an overriding concern.
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5.) Based on current tech, it would be very difficult to safely fake again today and not be disproven.
Wait, so what has changed on the "not be disproven" front today? Filmmaking technology has advanced beyond the dreams of Kubrick.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 2:52 pm to jonnyanony
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Call whatever you want, but there isn't much value in keeping a human alive in space when a machine can do the same work.
Bro we sent up every conceivable whacky experiment on the Space Shuttle just to test how orbital zero gravity works…I mean they’d test how lizards fart on those missions…there are plenty of tests and knowledge to glean by sending folks to the Moon, 2022 included.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 3:52 pm to Crimson1st
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Bro we sent up every conceivable whacky experiment on the Space Shuttle just to test how orbital zero gravity works…I mean they’d test how lizards fart on those missions…there are plenty of tests and knowledge to glean by sending folks to the Moon, 2022 included.
ARTEMIS is the next pending US human moon mission.
I wouldn't say we've given up, it's just that we know the tradeoffs after a decade of sending humans there.
Going to the Space Shuttle is a cakewalk versus going to the moon.
ISIS is 254 miles from earth. The moon is 250 THOUSAND miles. Apples and oranges.
Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:44 pm to Thundercles
What you are witnessing is the difference between private sector and public sector. Feds/NASA are using old tech and overspending to line their pockets and buy political favor. It won’t launch for months.
Meanwhile, Elon and his team are months away from launching a fully reusable spacecraft. Will take over one hundred successful cargo flights before people fly on it but it’s coming. Starship is cheap and quick.
Meanwhile, Elon and his team are months away from launching a fully reusable spacecraft. Will take over one hundred successful cargo flights before people fly on it but it’s coming. Starship is cheap and quick.
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