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re: Welp, it's done: the liberals won in the SBC election
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:23 am to Topisawtiger
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:23 am to Topisawtiger
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I don't see the reason to even be in an association like the SBC. Just like government, just another level of bureaucracy to siphon off money from those that it was intended for, and push their thoughts and beliefs on the subjects.
A lot of the bureaucratic waste has been dealt with over the past decade. There is still more to be done, but I think the SBC is one of the most open organizations when it comes to what they do with their CP dollars. State conventions might be a different story.
That said, there’s nothing stopping a local church from withdrawing from the SBC and then funding their own missions work. But be advised that unless you go to a large church, the most likely outcome would be cooperating with other churches in sending out missionaries…and then you’re right back to bureaucracy and having to deal with the opinions of other churches. CP ain’t perfect, but it is the best option for most Baptist churches.
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:23 am to DesScorp
You are down to 2 questions: did that many idiots really vote for that, or did they steal the election? Sadly I think there are that many idiots.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:26 am to 6R12
What's shocking is a lot of Mohler votes had to switch to Litton in the runoff for him to win. Makes no sense.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:00 am to imjustafatkid
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What's shocking is a lot of Mohler votes had to switch to Litton in the runoff for him to win. Makes no sense.
Mohler is a longtime respected member and leader of the SBC, where as Stone I believe is largely perceived as a political stooge.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:01 am to Auburn80
quote:All people are sinners, including and especially Christians. While Christians should be “better people” than the world because we should strive to be conformed to the perfect and obedient image of Christ, what ultimately separates us from the world is our faith in Christ’s sacrifice that grants us forgiveness for our sins against a holy God.
I’m going to be the contra here, but I know some gay Christians who are much better people than a majority of Christians.
That said, being a “good person” is what God says it is, not what we think, and according to God, no one is good but God, Himself.
quote:Sin is always a “big deal” to God. It is the very reason Jesus had to die. We are commanded to repent of sin and put our trust in Jesus’ atoning work on the cross.
It just isn’t that big of a deal to me, and my opinion only, I don’t think it would be to Jesus either.
If someone is living in open sin, they need to repent of it. Sin is a big deal to God.
quote:We are saved by Grace through faith, not by works, yet we are called to present our bodies as living sacrifices to God through obedience. We are still obligated to obey God out of thankfulness with lives transformed by God’s regenerating Spirit. If a person shows no fruit of the Spirit, they should be concerned for their own salvation. That is infinitely more important than an outward appearance of goodness alone.
I’m not trying to interpret scripture for you, but I have always believed we live under grace and what truly matters is how we serve others, not our own failings.
quote:Christians should certainly do good works and help those in need, but good works are nothing without saving faith, and saving faith comes from God through the preaching of the Word. To put it another way, the gospel is a doctrine or a set of doctrines that must be believed for salvation while good works save no one.
I admire Christians who are helping the poor and hungry and serving others the most, not the ones who can get dogmatic over scripture.
Christians should be fervently studying the scriptures and sitting under faithful preaching of them so that they may know what is truly pleasing to God and to do those things with a desire for God’s glory and kingdom.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:04 am to 6R12
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did that many idiots really vote for that, or did they steal the election? Sadly I think there are that many idiots.
Churches have been obsessed with race for decades and it's not an accident. Remember that they were some of the last holdouts on integrating. A lot of this is the left infiltrating and perverting doctrine.
I'm against refusing fellowship or the gospel with people over race. But I'm also against thinking you're a better church because you have X number of black people or campaigns to go out and bring in more black people and I've seen a lot of that.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:23 am to Auburn80
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I’m going to be the contra here, but I know some gay Christians who are much better people than a majority of Christians.
You're not qualified to judge that, so really this comment means nothing.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:29 am to lagallifrey
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If SBC goes too far off the rails they will just stop giving to the SBC and find another outlet for giving to missions.
Independent Baptist Churches support individual missionaries who typically have presented their work to the congregation.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:40 am to Alyosha
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Calvin, Kuyper, Bavinck,
Warfield, Machen, and Vos.
Also, currently working through The Wonderful Works of God by Bavinck. Great stuff.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:42 am to Tyger32
if we're on Christian literature now, Christianity and Liberalism by Machen is a must. Published 100 years ago, yet feels like it was written last week.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:43 am to FooManChoo
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There are a lot of good churches out there that seek to honor the Lord first and foremost; I’m a member of one.
Look for a local body that is confessional. Larger churches aren’t bad in and of themselves, but smaller congregations likely aren’t hoarding millions of dollars and trying to milk the congregation for every penny they have. Some do, but that’s not biblical.
Honestly, you should look for a church that is about making disciples, not converts, during the worship of God. Church is for Christians (primarily) and should be a place of worship, discipleship, and fellowship, not boosting numbers and self-help moralism.
I’d suggest doing some research on congregations within driving distance. Listen to sermons and check out their websites and “what we believe” sections in particular. If you can’t get a good idea of what a church teaches from their website, or if it is clear that they aren’t focused on the word of God, you should likely stay away.
This! Excellent. I left a larger church that was similar to those described and I 100% agree with this statement. Our current church sets up every week in a gym and is focused on disciple making and reproducing churches rather than growing 'our footprint'.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:44 am to Cajun Tide
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This is going to sound like sacrilege to most of you but all churches are corrupt and do not have your soul in mind when making decisions.
I am sorry you have had a bad sampling but this is a gross generalization. As I pastor I can tell you that I and the other pastors of our church genuinely care and shepherd the flock God has given us. We walk next to our people during difficult times. None of us are getting rich off of pastoring and our church sure isn't setting on a stack of money. While we are dedicated to preaching the gospel we also do a lot to make our community a better place to live in. I don't argue that there are a lot of churches that take advantage but it certainly isn't all of them.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:47 am to tiggerthetooth
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ou're not qualified to judge that, so really this comment means nothing.
Neither are you or anybody else downvoting me. Almost all the posts in this thread are judgmental. Every time a religious issue comes up here there is always the my denomination is right and yours is wrong.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:51 am to FooManChoo
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Christians should certainly do good works and help those in need, but good works are nothing without saving faith, and saving faith comes from God through the preaching of the Word. To put it another way, the gospel is a doctrine or a set of doctrines that must be believed for salvation while good works save no one.
Faith alone saves us. Not a belief in a specific doctrine that most denominations cannot agree on. Good works are a byproduct of Faith.
BTW: do you play instruments in Church? Church of Christ says your actively living in sin if you do.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:53 am to FooManChoo
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FooManChoo
I'm working in Griffin this week and Savannah next week. Are you near either? I'd love to worship with some reformed brothers this Sunday.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:53 am to Auburn80
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Neither are you or anybody else downvoting me.
Never said I was, just pointing out the obvious that your standards for what a "good" person is could be completely different. Especially if you're irreligious because then a sense of biblical "good" or "bad" is reduced to Arbitrary living preferences with no inherent value.
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Every time a religious issue comes up here there is always the my denomination is right and yours is wrong.
Wrong. The problem is the definition of right and wrong seems to shift with the promoted culture (the culture pushed by powerful media and academic entities and necessarily a culture people have chosen). There's no point in a church existing if the values and beliefs they hold are exactly the same as the irreligious culture.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:53 am to Auburn80
I have regularly attended and been a member of SBCs for twenty five years.
Most people in the local church can’t name the head of the SBC convention.
Each local church is autonomous.
Now if the SBC starts getting woke and going against Biblical teaching than it is time for local churches to leave.
Most people in the local church can’t name the head of the SBC convention.
Each local church is autonomous.
Now if the SBC starts getting woke and going against Biblical teaching than it is time for local churches to leave.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:59 am to Auburn80
quote:As someone who DV’d you, I’ll say God is qualified to judge and has given us His special revelation so that we can know what He desires and what He hates. We have no basis for judging the souls of others but we can express judgment for sins and concern for those who are living in open rebellion against God.
Neither are you or anybody else downvoting me.
quote:You seem to be saying this negatively. Are you judging those who are being judgmental?
Almost all the posts in this thread are judgmental.
quote:This is natural. Not many people will attend a church or denomination that they fundamentally disagree with, so if they are happy with where they are, people will recommend it to others.
Every time a religious issue comes up here there is always the my denomination is right and yours is wrong.
I actually recommended that the person concerned with going to a different church check out a few different denominations that I am personally not a member of, though I have been a member of two of them in the past.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:01 am to Got Heeem
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He also recently co-preached a sermon with his wife. SBC is DONE
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:03 am to Auburn80
quote:I agree with this, however I wanted to highlight that the gospel, itself, is a set of doctrines that must be believed and accented to, even at a basic level.
Faith alone saves us. Not a belief in a specific doctrine that most denominations cannot agree on. Good works are a byproduct of Faith.
quote:Our denomination doesn’t use instruments during the formal worship of God.
BTW: do you play instruments in Church? Church of Christ says your actively living in sin if you do
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