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Welfare dependency and the minimum wage

Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69211 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:34 pm
By far the most common argument minimum wage proponents put forward is that we need to raise the wage to reduce the number of people who qualify for govt assistance. I see that argument here, I see it among congressmen, etc.

Here is why this argument is bunk

1) Raising the minimum wage will not reduce welfare dependency. According to the CBO, a $15 minimum wage will cost around 2.5-3 million jobs. That is 3 million people who will be using even more welfare. A 15 minimum wage will also result in hours cut for those who didn't lose their jobs. Depending on how many hours are cut for a typical min wage worker, they could end up qualifying for even more assistance post 15 minimum wage.

2) Wage rates and govt assistance are completely unrelated issues, according to basic econ 101. In market economies, wages are determined by the marginal revenue product a worker produces. If an employer pays a wage that is way less than the value of the product a worker produces, a competing employer will bid away that worker. This bidding process has an end result where the wage is equal to the value of the product. Public assistance has nothing to do with it.

An employer who underpays an employee will, in the long run, lose that employee to a competing firm.

Employers do not determine wage rates, market forces do.

More philosophically speaking, if society believes that all workers should have a minimum standard of living, then the society as a whole should fund that floor through general tax revenue. It would be unfair to put the entire burden on a business owner.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21293 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 10:50 pm to
Also areas that have adopted 15 min wage have seen workers requesting fewer hours to remain on certain programs.
Posted by Norbert
Member since Oct 2018
3117 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:03 pm to
Economists have long pointed out the glaring flaws in minimum wages, but that doesn't stop politicians from selling the idea to the naive.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:04 pm to
I thought the CBO said it would cost about 1.3 million jobs. Where are you getting these numbers?
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21293 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:06 pm to
quote:

Where are you getting these numbers?


Dominion machines.
Posted by Tigers1984
Slidell
Member since Sep 2020
1688 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:08 pm to
I’m cool with a $15 minimum wage... as long as the government foots the bill

And by that I mean government officials slash their salaries by 80%

While they are at it... sell all of Biden’s mansions and get George Soros to write some generous checks
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
29852 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:37 pm to
Why not get rid of both?
Posted by Dustydubs
Member since Mar 2020
483 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:41 pm to
Raising minimum wage isn’t about lifting low wage workers out of poverty. It’s only used to further destroy the middle class.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
132115 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:42 pm to
$15/minimum wage.

You could hire an illegal for cheaper especially with the borders opening.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5898 posts
Posted on 1/24/21 at 11:47 pm to
Any person with half of a pea brain can easily refute any pro-minimum wage argument in a matter of seconds.

You raise minimum wage, employers cut employees. Liberals never think about the people who have to pay the wages. Those people don't grow money in their backyards, like the liberals do with their Marijuana.

It's just that simple. The trickle down effect is easy to predict. The fact that we even have a minimum wage to begin with, is already hurting a lot of people who deserve raises, but their boss can't afford to give them one. That's socialism. "Shared scarcity", as Reagan once said.
This post was edited on 1/25/21 at 8:01 am
Posted by Beef Tits
Member since Jan 2021
268 posts
Posted on 1/25/21 at 4:13 am to
Dominion,,hahahaha those are owned by Pelosi`s husband, thats how they got the gov`t contract.
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