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We have to have more appeasing candidates and more acceptance of the Progressive Platform?

Posted on 11/10/22 at 5:29 am
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 5:29 am
That’s the message on this board and all over the internet and MSM right now.

The conservatives in this country lost because they pushed back against the progressive platform of government funded partial birth abortion as a legal right, child genital mutilation, universal basic income, return to globalist money funneling, and the shortsighted and catastrophic attack on oil and gas.

If conservatives would just accept this platform and not fight it then they could win elections.

And y’all are all just going with that narrative?

If there is any hill to make a stand and die on defending children who can’t defend themselves is it. Freedom from unchecked government overreach is also very worth fighting and dieing for.

Communism and evil need to be rooted out and fought like cancer. Not accepted because it’s easier to accept than to fight.

Conservative Christian Constitutionalists have been losing ground slowly for decades because we keep accepting the status quo. We keep saying “ok, we’ll give you just a little bit more of what you want now, if you promise not to ask for more later”. They always ask for more and we always compromise.

No more compromise. It’s time to fight like hell to get this country back to where it needs to be. It’s not even recognizable anymore. We’ve been accommodating and accepting for far too long.

Ignoring the problem and being quiet so that we prolong the inevitable instead of confronting it is no way to change things. It’s idiotic. And many of y’all are falling right into that trap.

Take a deep look at where this country is headed and what’s going on in the Federal government and your local and state government and make a change. Begin grass roots campaigns in your local municipalities. We need to return to our ground up life. Change your community and then your city and then your state. You’re not going to change the federal government overnight.

We need to start fighting the grass roots generational fight we’ve been losing. And it starts with investing in your community and getting involved in local politics. Stop voting on federal party lines for every election and pay attention to who and what you are voting for.

Good luck to everyone the next few years. It’s going to get much worse before it gets any better and anyone who tells you that you need to compromise your values to appease your enemies isn’t worth compromising with.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 5:30 am
Posted by jivy26
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 5:31 am to
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We have to have more appeasing candidates and more acceptance of the Progressive Platform?


No. Just need to provide compelling candidates otherwise Republicans will not turn out the way democrats do.
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
24951 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 5:35 am to
No, we just didn’t put forth great candidates. And in this case, Republicans need a better strategy on abortion when it comes to messaging and timing.

Ms. Lindsey and a handful of others really fricked Republicans by putting nationwide abortion bans into the national discussion and that threw a lot of fuel on the fire for Dems.

Republicans need to hammer down their messaging on how Democrats are failing Americans and then how they’re going to fix it moving forward.

This wasn’t a Democrat victory, it was a Republican failure.
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 7:56 am to
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And in this case, Republicans need a better strategy on abortion when it comes to messaging and timing.


You can’t murder or mutilate children because they’re inconvenient to you. Think about the ramifications and reality of If that message is a failure or too extreme to be a real platform.

Taking a stance against murdering children is now seen as an extremist unwinnable platform that should be silenced. What does that say about us?

Why are you uncomfortable or rolling your eyes right now reading those sentences? You’ve been won over by a ruthless propaganda machine and Marxist culture war. You’ve been beaten. Come to terms with that, get up, dust yourself off, and get back in the fight.

And that’s exactly what my OP was about.

Stop compromising and giving ground to these progressives lunatics because “fighting them isn’t popular or we might not win every battle, so it’s easier not to fight.” What kind of person is ok with that mindset?

Republicans vs Democrats is a window dressing. It’s missing the larger picture. We’re watching a real world real time battle between good and evil. Freedom and oppression. Government and citizens.

Choose wisely which side you fight on. And stop compromising your principles because you’re scared to defend them.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 8:01 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:02 am to
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If there is any hill to make a stand and die on defending children who can’t defend themselves is it. Freedom from unchecked government overreach is also very worth fighting and dieing for.

The fact that you can't see how over half the country thinks these 2 statements aren't hypercritical, shows why your analysis is flawed.

Well over half the country sees the abortion stance you're taking as "government overreach" and it's worth fighting for, for them.

You can disagree all you want, but this is a democracy and those people vote (and they voted in large numbers Tuesday).
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:03 am to
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Conservative Christian Constitutionalists have been losing ground slowly for decades because we keep accepting the status quo.

No you're losing power because you're becoming a smaller minority cohort of the population.

Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:10 am to
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The fact that you can't see how over half the country thinks these 2 statements aren't hypercritical, shows why your analysis is flawed. Well over half the country sees the abortion stance you're taking as "government overreach" and it's worth fighting for, for them.


I absolutely see that for them. And my analysis isn’t flawed. They’re wrong. There is such a thing as universal truth and these people are flat out objectively and undeniable wrong. And they never compromise. Ever. We compromise for them every day. And we lose more every time we do.

I’ve had enough of it. They’re evil and we’re losing the war to them. And y’all’s solution is too…. Compromise more and appease them.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:14 am to
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And my analysis isn’t flawed. They’re wrong.




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There is such a thing as universal truth and these people are flat out objectively and undeniable wrong. And they never compromise. Ever.

Well we live in a democracy, so...what?
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:15 am to
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you're losing power because you're becoming a smaller minority cohort of the population.


As I said before we are watching Good vs Evil play out in real time on a massive scale. Progressives spent generations in the shadows destroying religion and morality and family units and local communities and now they’re finally stepping into the light and we’re worshiping them instead of fighting them.

It’s not the first time in history and it never ever ends well for those who choose evil. You may think it does. And you may enjoy what you think are the early fruits of evil when you sow it, but evil only begets evil. All of its fruits are rotten.

Good luck to you, Jake. I sincerely mean that. You’re a smart guy. I’m angry because I’m concerned for my fellow people, you included. I love them and it hurts watching so many lost people run from the Truth. Especially the lost youth turning to evil.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 8:17 am
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:16 am to
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Well we live in a democracy, so...what?


That’s your answer to everything? It does not matter how heinous or evil a law is, If it is voted on by the people it cannot be fought?

Posted by AggieHank86
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:16 am to
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We have to have more appeasing candidates and more acceptance of the Progressive Platform?
Nope.

Just more APPEALING candidates and less acceptance of extremist policy positions.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44675 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:23 am to
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Just need to provide compelling candidates otherwise Republicans will not turn out the way democrats do.


This statement is one of the reasons Republicans get their asses kicked.

Why does this matter for Republicans but not democrats? They ran a damn vegetable in Pennsylvania and won. Why? Because their voters believe in their party's messaging and know that the only thing that matters in the senate is how their candidate will vote.

Democrats rally their people to vote no matter what while Republicans are too busy worrying about stupid shite like whether their own guy is a good candidate.

Who the frick cares if Herschel doesn't have the best past? You know how he'll vote when he gets to senate and nothing else should matter. Unfortunately, our side is too fricking stupid to realize this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:32 am to
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That’s your answer to everything? It does not matter how heinous or evil a law is, If it is voted on by the people it cannot be fought?

If you're pushing an issue that possibly 7 in 10 voters don't agree with, in a democracy, you're just not going to win it.

Is your thread about winning elections or was that just a ruse so you could complain about losing the culture war?

I'm responding to the part about candidates and elections and winning.
Posted by LuckyTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:36 am to
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less acceptance of extremist policy positions.


What were these extremist policies of the Republicans?

Were they more extreme than the policies of the Democrats?
Posted by TSLG
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:37 am to
CNN would like to thank all of you for helping carry their load.
Posted by LetsgoGamecocks
Member since Sep 2014
2916 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:38 am to
Good points. We need to get rid of mail in ballots as republicans are being disenfranchised at a scale needed to swing elections.

No way in hell Biden got more midterm votes than any other sitting president with his numbers. Yet he did.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
79098 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:40 am to
We should try a contrasting set of ideas we are for - starkly contrasting - promoted by reasonable people with skin in the game (businesses, families, etc.)

IE - Yes, we want to slow abortion to a trickle. We also want to decrease the cost of adoption to a fraction of what it is now, and we're willing to economically incentivize would-be parents to adopt. Abortions cost 1000, adoptions cost tens of thousands, it should not be like this in the United States.

Posted by AcadieAnne
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Member since May 2019
858 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:44 am to
I don't think there's many lawyers on this board outside of Wednesday (my apologies if I'm excluding any) who believe in objective moral truth. The most vocal certainly don't.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41642 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 8:52 am to
You’re right.

Those who say we need better candidates? Look at who wins for the Dems. They elect mentally ill trans people and mentally feeble individuals. They elect rapists, thieves, and murderers. They elect people who can’t hardly form complete sentences.

It’s not the candidates.

What about the issues? Abortion? We are either for it or not. Those who say we shouldn’t go against it because of votes don’t seem to realize that the Dems don’t care about the optics of pushing their agenda. They run on leftist policies and then implement more of those policies when elected.

The end result is compromise and turning the right into the left for the sake of votes. It’s pathetic.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44675 posts
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:04 am to
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We also want to decrease the cost of adoption to a fraction of what it is now


Yeah the cost of adoption is a huge problem. It's almost like they want to make it harder for kids to be adopted.
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