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We have a new Sec Def
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/23/19 at 11:55 am
90-8 vote
Fox
To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
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The Senate confirmed former Army Lt. Col. Mark Esper as Secretary of Defense
Fox
To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 11:57 am
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Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:04 pm to Wtodd
My life was going along perfectly fine without having an official Sec Def
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:09 pm to Wtodd
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To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
One thing that is true of rank in the military, is just because someone might have more than you does not necessarily mean they are more knowledgeable or capable.
I'd love to see a former E-8/9 as Sec Def, instead of some of the high ranking officers that give politically correct responses.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:12 pm to Wtodd
pocahantas was left twisting in the wind
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:13 pm to Wtodd
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The no votes included 2020 Democratic presidential candidates Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren.
RESIST
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:17 pm to iheartchimichangas
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One thing that is true of rank in the military, is just because someone might have more than you does not necessarily mean they are more knowledgeable or capable.
I've been in & around the military for most of the past 40 yrs and while I agree with this, most O-5s don't get invites to all of the TS & above meetings.
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I'd love to see a former E-8/9 as Sec Def
Me too but for different reasons; so all those flag officers would have to kiss his arse
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:40 pm to Wtodd
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To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
I find it refreshing. The BULK of the strategic work in most headquarters, i.e. the ones who do all the analysis, metrics and data, then package it for the Colonels and above to make decisions on, is done by Majors and Lieutenant Colonels on their staffs.
They're probably more knowledgeable about policies than the ones they write them for.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:42 pm to Wtodd
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Me too but for different reasons; so all those flag officers would have to kiss his arse
That already happens. You'd be surprised how much deference many Sergeants Major get from senior officers for doing absolutely nothing.
Don't get me wrong, stellar E8s and E9s are absolutely indispensable and can mask even the worst command climate...but the other extreme...and there's no "middle" when it comes to E8 and above. You're either really good...or really terrible.
Anyone downvoting me is being deliberately ignorant of the fact that when you've got a bad E8 or bad E9...it's REALLY bad. Example: When I was a Company Commander, the Brigade Commander tried to ban alcohol from official Brigade events, but couldn't do it because his CSM was an alcoholic.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:42 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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They're probably more knowledgeable about policies than the ones they write them for.
On a tactical level I agree but IMO not so much on the strategic level.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:46 pm to Wtodd
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To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
He's also the former Secretary of the Army
Posted on 7/23/19 at 12:47 pm to iheartchimichangas
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I’d love to see a former E-8/9 as Sec Def, instead of some of the high ranking officers that give politically correct responses.
That’s a slippery slope. The next thing you’d be calling for is a politically incorrect billionaire who has never held office to be President and that would be a catastrophe.....Or would it?
In all seriousness, I like your idea. Drain the whole flippin place and put real people up there. That goes for both sides of the aisle!
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:09 pm to Wtodd
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To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
Not necessarily. LTC is sort of the last "working" rank in the officer corp. Add to that his 10 years active duty and 11 in the National Guard and it is likely either the limit of spots higher or he just wanted to stay there.
He was 101st so he knows how to fight.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:13 pm to iheartchimichangas
Me and GeauxTiger should be his advisers. Lean, mean fightin machine. No women, or cisgenders, figs, dress wearin men for starters!
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:15 pm to Wtodd
The current acting one was a Captain in the Corps and Chuck Hagel was a sergeant..... So it is not that weird.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:16 pm to Wtodd
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do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
Yes
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:17 pm to hottub
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So it is not that weird.
Actually it is......you've listed 3 and I can't think of anymore than that.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:22 pm to Wtodd
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To ex-military types - do any of you find it a little odd that a former LTC is now Sec Def?
I'd rather a former Senior Enlisted man be SECDEF.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 1:49 pm to Wtodd
McNamara was a LTC,
Lovett and Gates were Lt. Commanders,
Clifford was an O-6,
Laird was a junior naval officer,
Richardson was a Lt. (Army),
Rummy was an O-6,
Weinberger was a O-3,
Carlucci was an O-3,
Aspin O-3,
Perry O-1,
Bob Gates O-1,
Panetta O-2,
So it isn't that weird...
Lovett and Gates were Lt. Commanders,
Clifford was an O-6,
Laird was a junior naval officer,
Richardson was a Lt. (Army),
Rummy was an O-6,
Weinberger was a O-3,
Carlucci was an O-3,
Aspin O-3,
Perry O-1,
Bob Gates O-1,
Panetta O-2,
So it isn't that weird...
Posted on 7/23/19 at 9:12 pm to hottub
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McNamara was a LTC
And where did Bob McNamara lead us?
Hint:
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
Next stop is ...
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 7/23/19 at 10:12 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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And where did Bob McNamara lead us?
That’s not the point of the thread.
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