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Watch the AP's Soul Die a Little When Forced to Admit Jan. 6 Suspects Aren't Traitors
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:37 pm
Are Jan. 6 rioters traitors? So far, criminal charges say no
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Plotted to block the certification of Joe Biden’s election victory: Check. Discussed bringing weapons into Washington to aid in the plan: Check. Succeeded with co-insurrectionists, if only temporarily, in stopping Congress from carrying out a vital constitutional duty: Check.
Accusations against Jan. 6 rioter Thomas Caldwell certainly seem to fit the charge of sedition as it’s generally understood — inciting revolt against the government. And the possibility of charging him and others was widely discussed after thousands of pro-Trump supporters assaulted scores of police officers, defaced the U.S. Capitol and hunted for lawmakers to stop the certification. Some called their actions treasonous.
But to date, neither Caldwell nor any of the other more than 500 defendants accused in the attack has been indicted for sedition or for the gravest of crimes a citizen can face, treason. And as an increasing number of lesser charges are filed and defendants plead guilty, those accusations may never be formally levied.
Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
Overall, the bar for proving sedition isn’t as high as it is for the related charge of treason. Still, sedition charges have been rare.
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Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:40 pm to VoxDawg
I miss the world where one could both condemn the Capitol riot and not pretend it was the War of 1812.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:41 pm to Baylor Kyle
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riot
K
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:42 pm to VoxDawg
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Some legal scholars say that sedition charges could be justified but that prosecutors may be reluctant to bring them because of their legal complexity and the difficulty historically in securing convictions. Overzealousness in applying them going back centuries has also discredited their use. And defense attorneys say discussions of such charges only add to the hyperbole around the events of that day.
They aren't bringing those charges because that opens up all kinds of due process Brady issues.
They lower the charges enough people will want to just put this shite behind them and plead guilty rather than take on the fedgov.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:44 pm to Baylor Kyle
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I miss the world where one could both condemn the Capitol riot
How about if I don't condemn it, but think it was a protest that got a little out of hand spurred on by a small handful of idiots who eventually just dispersed on their own?
Once you use "condemn" it makes me wonder what word you'd want to use for the months of violent, fiery riots we saw all last summer.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:44 pm to VoxDawg
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after thousands of pro-Trump supporters assaulted scores of police officers
A republic simply cannot survive this kind of blatant lying by the press.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:45 pm to shinerfan
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A republic simply cannot survive this kind of blatant lying by the press.
It's obviously not why they were afforded First Amendment protections.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:46 pm to Baylor Kyle
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I miss the world where one could both condemn the Capitol riot and not pretend it was the War of 1812.
the enemy burned washington in 1812
the enemy broke into the capitol in 2021
turns out, the enemy in 2021 is on the taxpayer payroll
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:46 pm to udtiger
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They aren't bringing those charges because that opens up all kinds of due process Brady issues.
what Brady issues would bringing the charges create?
why would the Brady issues not exist with lesser charges?
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:48 pm to Baylor Kyle
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riot
"Mostly peaceful protest"
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:49 pm to VoxDawg
lol at what else they had to admit in that article
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Among the last successful convictions for seditious conspiracy stemmed from another, now largely forgotten storming of the Capitol in 1954 when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire on the House floor, wounding five representatives.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:49 pm to ksayetiger
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the enemy broke into the capitol in 2021
Or they held the doors.
I guess if we're concerned with precision, we all sent the enemy to DC under the guise of representing us.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:50 pm to GeauxTigerTM
And how about incited and planned by some fbi informants.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:51 pm to VoxDawg
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Discussed bringing weapons into Washington to aid in the plan
It's worth noting - not that they DID bring weapons. They *discussed* bringing weapons.
Neither of which is a crime, btw.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:51 pm to VoxDawg
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Or they held the doors.
eventually when thousands of people physically threaten you, giving in becomes the rational move
anyone who wasn't participating in the violence who thought the doors being opened meant they were being allowed in were utter idiots (if these people even exist)
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:51 pm to VoxDawg
1. Antietam
2. Jan 6
3. 9-11
4. Pearl Harbor
5. Portland riots
2. Jan 6
3. 9-11
4. Pearl Harbor
5. Portland riots
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:52 pm to VoxDawg
Biden wants to bring back the Alien and Sedition Acts
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:54 pm to VoxDawg
Another fun little nugget from the OP:
This, plus the article from today about the forthcoming swamp rat book alleging Trump wanted treason charges on the WH leaker who talked to reporters about the First Family being taken to the WH bunker as BLM rioters were getting out of hand in June 2020 is another gaslighting campaign, this time to minimize "treason" to just a fun buzzword that's tossed around with no consequence.
They're trying to salt the fields for future use of the term when it becomes much more dramatically appropriate to discuss such things.
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In the history of the U.S., the government has convicted fewer than 10 people for treason, according to the FBI.
This, plus the article from today about the forthcoming swamp rat book alleging Trump wanted treason charges on the WH leaker who talked to reporters about the First Family being taken to the WH bunker as BLM rioters were getting out of hand in June 2020 is another gaslighting campaign, this time to minimize "treason" to just a fun buzzword that's tossed around with no consequence.
They're trying to salt the fields for future use of the term when it becomes much more dramatically appropriate to discuss such things.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:55 pm to VoxDawg
Yes, this "stormed the capitol" shite needs to stop. They were let in by the authorities.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 1:56 pm to Vacherie Saint
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They were let in by the authorities.
only due to threats of physical violence and actual physical violence by rioters
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