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Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminent
Posted by Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:16 am
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31 The twits in Europe, the media, and the politicians continue to wave the Ukrainian flag and tweet support. The pros, on the other hand, know that reality is about to set in. The Russians might flip the battlefield long before the pledged Leopards and Abrams arrive in country.
The cynic in me says that the tanks were pledged knowing that there was a good chance that their employment would be overtaken by events.
The American Conservative
This is terrifying. Why is Ukraine worth risking Armageddon?
"When all else fails, they'll lead us into war."
The cynic in me says that the tanks were pledged knowing that there was a good chance that their employment would be overtaken by events.
The American Conservative
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Contrary to early Beltway hopes and expectations, Russia (has)neither collapsed internally nor capitulated to the collective West’s demands for regime change in Moscow. Washington underestimated Russia’s societal cohesion, its latent military potential, and its relative immunity to Western economic sanctions.
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As a result, Washington’s proxy war against Russia is failing. U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was unusually candid about the situation in Ukraine when he told the allies in Germany at Ramstein Air Base on January 20, “We have a window of opportunity here, between now and the spring,” admitting, “That’s not a long time."
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Predictably, Washington’s frustration with the collective West’s failure to stem the tide of Ukrainian defeat is growing. In fact, the frustration is rapidly giving way to desperation.
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Michael Rubin, a former Bush appointee and avid supporter of America’s permanent conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan, vented his frustration in a 1945 article asserting that, “if the world allows Russia to remain a unitary state, and if it allows Putinism to survive Putin, then, Ukraine should be allowed to maintain its own nuclear deterrence, whether it joins NATO or not.” On its face, the suggestion is reckless, but the statement does accurately reflect the anxiety in Washington circles that Ukrainian defeat is inevitable.
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So where is Washington headed with its proxy war against Russia? The question deserves an answer.
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Washington and its NATO allies are advocating a full-blown war against Russia, the devastation and breakup of the Russian Federation, as well as the destruction of millions of lives in Russia and Ukraine.
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Washington emotes. Washington does not think, and it is also overtly hostile to empiricism and truth. Neither we nor our allies are prepared to fight all-out war with Russia, regionally or globally. The point is, if war breaks out between Russia and the United States, Americans should not be surprised. The Biden administration and its bipartisan supporters in Washington are doing all they possibly can to make it happen.
This is terrifying. Why is Ukraine worth risking Armageddon?
"When all else fails, they'll lead us into war."
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by Irish Knuckles 
on 1/30/23 at 10:21 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:21 am to Perfect Circlequote:
This is terrifying. Why is Ukraine worth risking Armageddon?
the whole idea is for the cronies in washington and kiev to make money. the micc has been a burden to tax payers and the world for over 70 years now.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by Gifman 
on 1/30/23 at 10:21 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:21 am to Perfect CircleI thought Ukraine was kicking ass?
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by bamadontcare on 1/30/23 at 10:23 am to Gifman
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I thought Ukraine was kicking ass?
They are.
On the OT.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by CamdenTiger on 1/30/23 at 10:24 am to Gifman
Stolen elections have devastating consequences
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by doubleb 
on 1/30/23 at 10:24 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:24 am to Perfect CircleThe guy is entitled to his opinion, but I don’t think a victory for either side is eminent.
Magregor has been pro Russian since 2014, and his previous predictions regarding the war have been wrong.
Magregor has been pro Russian since 2014, and his previous predictions regarding the war have been wrong.
This post was edited on 1/30 at 10:29 am
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by SouthEasternKaiju 
on 1/30/23 at 10:25 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:25 am to Perfect CircleAre we really going to fire off nukes instead of utilizing the alien tech we've recovered and reverse-engineered weapons?
At some point we need to pull the lid off the super secret stuff and stop this madness.
At some point we need to pull the lid off the super secret stuff and stop this madness.
This post was edited on 1/30 at 10:26 am
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by deltaland on 1/30/23 at 10:27 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:27 am to Perfect Circlequote:
Washington and its NATO allies are advocating a full-blown war against Russia, the devastation and breakup of the Russian Federation, as well as the destruction of millions of lives in Russia and Ukraine.
We do this and it will become a nuclear war unless China backs Russia. Russia alone can’t beat us in a conventional war
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by Timeoday on 1/30/23 at 10:27 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:27 am to Perfect Circlequote:
The cynic in me says that the tanks were pledged knowing that there was a good chance that their employment would be overtaken by events.
That is exactly what I was thinking as I read your post. Let's see Russia picks up American battlefield equipment technology from Afghanistan and Ukraine.
The MIC and the Dems must really love the Russian and Chinese. Heck, I thought it was Trump!!
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by LuckyTiger 
on 1/30/23 at 10:31 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:31 am to Perfect Circlequote:
The pros, on the other hand, know that reality is about to set in. The Russians might flip the battlefield long before the pledged Leopards and Abrams arrive in country.
Maybe. I’m expecting this to be a long quagmire. Hopefully smarter, less evil people (on all sides...Ukrainian, Russian, US...and outside the current participants) gain some influence to alleviating this situation.
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Washington underestimated Russia’s societal cohesion, its latent military potential, and its relative immunity to Western economic sanctions.
My relatives in Russia go about their lives as usual from an economic standpoint. There’s been little effect on most people’s lives. And while many question their government’s role in helping ignite this war, almost everyone is united in their mistrust and dislike of NATO, which they see as a direct threat to their independence, well being, and way of life.
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Michael Rubin, a former Bush appointee and avid supporter of America’s permanent conflicts in the Middle East and Afghanistan, vented his frustration in a 1945 article asserting that, “if the world allows Russia to remain a unitary state
And some people wonder why Russia believes the US is out to destroy their country.
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Ukraine should be allowed to maintain its own nuclear deterrence, whether it joins NATO or not
Entire statement is madness and increases the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Terrifying to think people that think like this have any influence.
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if war breaks out between Russia and the United States, Americans should not be surprised. The Biden administration and its bipartisan supporters in Washington are doing all they possibly can to make it happen.
I wouldn’t be surprised. We are entering a very dangerous phase in world history. Look for potential hot wars breaking out in a number of places. The Neocons have taken over the Biden Administration.
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I thought Ukraine was kicking ass?
The battle lines look to have reached a stalemate so it depends on how you look at it.
They have not been able to push the Russians any farther back, but the Russians are similarly not able to push any farther in.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by LookSquirrel on 1/30/23 at 10:37 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:37 am to Perfect CircleThey have secrets to protect in The Ukraine.
Dirty Secrets, that the AMERICAN people will not like.
Dirty Secrets, that the AMERICAN people will not like.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by Lakeboy7 on 1/30/23 at 10:38 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:38 am to Perfect Circlequote:
its latent military potential,
Oh my goodness. I'm afraid that "potential" hasnt materialized just yet.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by LookSquirrel on 1/30/23 at 10:40 am to deltaland
on 1/30/23 at 10:40 am to deltalandquote:
We do this and it will become a nuclear war unless China backs Russia. Russia alone can’t beat us in a conventional war
There is no such thing as "conventional war", anymore.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by I20goon on 1/30/23 at 10:43 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:43 am to Perfect CircleThe same "people" doing what is realistically a drip-drip supply of [lethal] aid are the same that refused to send any lethal aid for almost a decade to help them prepare for this.
So in effect, they've multiplied the mistakes. Either do it, or don't. And if you are don't wait until there's an armored column bearing down on Kiev and Odessa is under threat to do it.
This is why the Ukrainians will hate us if they come out of this intact... which they won't.
So in effect, they've multiplied the mistakes. Either do it, or don't. And if you are don't wait until there's an armored column bearing down on Kiev and Odessa is under threat to do it.
This is why the Ukrainians will hate us if they come out of this intact... which they won't.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by THog on 1/30/23 at 10:55 am to Perfect Circle
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Why is Ukraine worth risking Armageddon? ?
Until someone in DC explains in detail why ukraine is critical, im going to assume its the biolabs (set up under Obama- even when senator) and money laundering. If they want to end conspiracies, they would give real info. Not just "its critical". What else would be important enough to risk nuclear war?
This post was edited on 1/30 at 10:56 am
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by m2pro on 1/30/23 at 10:56 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:56 am to Perfect CircleAll I've seen is that this could still take years. That doesn't sound imminent.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by TBoy 
on 1/30/23 at 10:56 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 10:56 am to Perfect CircleMacgregor has been a Russian propaganda mouthpiece from the beginning of this. His argument is that Russia will win and so it is futile to resist, and everyone should act in a manner to make Russia's leadership happy.
Throughout this winter, neither side in that conflict has moved the needle at all. All that has happened is that defensive lines have hardened and localized positional fighting has occurred. Russia is certainly not on the move and neither is Ukraine, at this time.
The weather in Ukraine is about to enter the "spring mud" phase that will continue to restrict large scale movement. No one can say that anything is "imminent."
If there is to be another big movement in the battlefield, it won't likely occur until May.
That may be why Russian propagandists are pushing to try to convince the West to stop supporting Ukraine now, to avoid Ukraine having the advantage in the spring.
Throughout this winter, neither side in that conflict has moved the needle at all. All that has happened is that defensive lines have hardened and localized positional fighting has occurred. Russia is certainly not on the move and neither is Ukraine, at this time.
The weather in Ukraine is about to enter the "spring mud" phase that will continue to restrict large scale movement. No one can say that anything is "imminent."
If there is to be another big movement in the battlefield, it won't likely occur until May.
That may be why Russian propagandists are pushing to try to convince the West to stop supporting Ukraine now, to avoid Ukraine having the advantage in the spring.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by BayouBlitz on 1/30/23 at 11:02 am to Perfect Circle
on 1/30/23 at 11:02 am to Perfect CircleRussian victory has been promised for 10 months now.
re: Washington increasingly desperate as Ukrainian defeat imminentPosted by RogerTheShrubber on 1/30/23 at 11:02 am to Gifman
on 1/30/23 at 11:02 am to Gifmanquote:
I thought Ukraine was kicking ass?
On facebook, twitter and the OT.
No where else.
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