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Was Obama administration illegal spying worse than Watergate?

Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:26 am
Posted by GumboPot
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Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:26 am
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In 1972, some employees of President Nixon’s re-election committee were caught when they broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters to plant a bug. This led to Nixon’s resignation and probably would have led to his felony prosecution had he not been pardoned by his successor, Gerald Ford.

But if a single bugging of the political opposition is enough to bring down a presidency — and maybe lead to an unprecedented criminal prosecution of a former president — then what are we to make of the recently unveiled Obama administration program of massively spying on political opponents in violation of clearly established law?

Because that’s what was unveiled last week.

When the FBI wants to wiretap a domestic suspect, it goes to court for a warrant. But when listening in on foreigners, the National Security Agency hoovers up a vast amount of stuff in bulk: Conversations between foreigners, conversations between Americans and foreigners, conversations between Americans who mention foreigners, and sometimes just plain old conversations between Americans.

There are supposed to be strict safeguards on who can access the information, on how it can be used and on protecting American citizens’ privacy — because the NSA is forbidden by law from engaging in domestic spying. These safeguards were ignored wholesale under the Obama administration, and to many Republicans, it is no coincidence that intelligence leaks damaged Democrats' political opponents in the 2016 election.


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Will the Justice Department investigate and prosecute former Obama officials? It seems hard to imagine. But then, so did Nixon’s resignation, when the Watergate burglary was first discovered.

This debacle also raises serious questions about the viability of our existing “intelligence community.” In the post-World War II era, we gave massive power to the national security apparatus. In part, that power was granted in the belief that professionalism and patriotism would lead people in those agencies to refuse to let their work be used for partisan political purposes.

It now seems apparent that we overestimated the patriotism and professionalism of the people in these agencies, who allowed them to be politically weaponized by the Obama administration. That being true, if we value democracy, can we permit them to exist in their current form?

That’s a decision that President Trump and Congress will have to face. Ironically, they may be afraid to — for fear that intelligence agencies will engage in further targeted political leaks.


Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:28 am to
Time to pull the plug and drain that swamp.

MAGA
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:29 am to
Keep on spinning, Honest Bob will keep on building his cases.


Do you think Trump cuts back on the bronzer? It seems like it'll clash with his jumpsuit.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:30 am to
This is the first article I have seen by an MSM outlet to mention the spying that was conducted by the Obama administration against his political opponents.
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
22786 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:30 am to
Fast and Furious is worse. Innocent people were murdered due to that frick up.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21551 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:31 am to
People should take the time to read that, Glenn is a libertarian law professor. He isn't a "trumpkin" trying to spin up hype.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:31 am to
Of course. However, it doesn't stick because there's that whole "black thing" he's got going for him.

Deflector shields up Chekov
Posted by Geauxst Writer
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2015
4960 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:31 am to
No. Get used to the fact that Trump and his inexperienced and Russia secret channel team made moves that might actually be treason = especially with what now appears to be a planned cover-up.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:32 am to
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Get used to the fact that Trump and his inexperienced and Russia secret channel team made moves that might actually be treason = especially with what now appears to be a planned cover-up.


Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:37 am to
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might actually be

Might don't make right
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
16957 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:39 am to
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This is the first article I have seen by an MSM outlet to mention the spying that was conducted by the Obama administration against his political opponents.



What article? I see an opinion column.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:41 am to
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What article? I see an opinion column.




Okay, you're right. Zero articles by the MSM. Obama can do no wrong.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14576 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:41 am to
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Was Obama administration illegal spying worse than Watergate?


By a long shot but Obama was better are protecting himself.
Posted by VOLhalla
Knoxville
Member since Feb 2011
5140 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:42 am to
BTW Glenn Reynolds is an attention whore
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:44 am to
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made moves that might actually be treason


LOL Tell us what you think anyone associated with Trump did that might be treason. Be specific.

Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:48 am to
Yes
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Posted by tb27688
Member since Jul 2011
1206 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:49 am to
That's the problem with the left. If someone said it and it fits our narrative then it is true. frick a bunch of facts.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10723 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:50 am to
His spying on Americans is worse than watergate

His using the IRS to thwart the political process is worse than watergate.

Giving weapons to drug cartels is worse than watergate.

His girlish tossing of the first ball at a white sox game is worse than watergate.



This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 11:01 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
63438 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:51 am to
According to libs, Dems, John McCain, and the media, NOTHING is worse than Watergate if you're a Democrat, and everything's worse than Watergate if you're a Republican.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10613 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:52 am to
USA today. I'll add this to my drip list of confirmed facts.

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