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Vox: Beethoven’s Fifth Symphony ‘is a symbol of exclusion and elitism’
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:36 pm
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Since its 1808 premiere, audiences have interpreted that progression from struggle to victory as a metaphor for Beethoven’s personal resilience in the face of his oncoming deafness.
Or rather, that’s long been the popular read among wealthy white men who embraced Beethoven and turned his symphony into a symbol of their superiority and importance. For others — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony is predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism.
Vox link
Beethoven bad, but Barack listens to Cardi B. Michelle holds up Beyoncé as a role model for her daughters.
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:36 pm to Bigtime92
I was told that it would stop at confederate statues.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:39 pm to Bigtime92
As a classically trained violinist, I love all great music of Europe's enlightened age, but have never liked the big, bold STAR WARS sounds of many of Germany's greatest composers.
Give me a delicate and airy Mozart Waltz any day, mates.
Give me a delicate and airy Mozart Waltz any day, mates.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:40 pm to SirWinston
I more of a Baroque fan myself.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:40 pm to Bigtime92
There are way too many people out there that hate life. They should kill themselves and spare us their misery.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:43 pm to Bigtime92
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For others — women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color — Beethoven’s symphony is predominantly a reminder of classical music’s history of exclusion and elitism
We’ve reached the phase of “racism” where I’m not really sympathetic
ETA reminds me of this:
Bill Burr - All Black Swim Team
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:45 pm to Bigtime92
These people are so fricking stupid , it hurts.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:51 pm to Bigtime92
I’ve always preferred Beethoven’s 7th symphony over his 5th.
Does that make me less racist?
Does that make me less racist?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:53 pm to Bigtime92
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:54 pm to Bigtime92
Get woke , go Baroque. Am I right ?
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 5:57 pm to Bigtime92
There are many reasons why the First Amendment was written the way it was. Anything can be defined as offensive especially today where miserable imbeciles can be offended by a classical song in a day where we are "graced" with Wet arse Pussy.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:00 pm to Bigtime92
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Barack listens to Cardi B. Michelle holds up Beyoncé as a role model for her daughters.
The Obama’s are vulgar people.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:00 pm to RebelExpress38
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ETA reminds me of this: Bill Burr - All Black Swim Team
That's one of my favorite of Bill's routines. That and the black friends and the girlfriend in Harlem bit.
Black Friends, Clothes and Harlem
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:11 pm to Bigtime92
Is Classical Music old stuffy and elitist?
Yes
But how is that really Beethoven’s fault?
Yes
But how is that really Beethoven’s fault?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:12 pm to Bigtime92
What the actual frick?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:15 pm to Bigtime92
Of course...
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:17 pm to Bigtime92
Which Beethoven is more racist L.V.B. or that huge dog owned by that privileged white family?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:18 pm to SammyTiger
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stuffy and elitist
It's funny that you say this. It's really only perceived that way, and the reason why is the modernist form classical, which generally started in the late 1800s. Like many other avant-garde art forms, modernism in music began as a way to dissociate itself from what was viewed by modernists as a (too) popular art form. Once modernism took over, the populace was separated from prior forms of classical.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:18 pm to Bigtime92
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“If you pretend like there’s no other music out there, that Beethoven is the greatest music that ever will matter,” says McGill, then orchestras will alienate new listeners, since “we’re not promoting any of the composers alive today that are trying to become the Beethovens of their day.”
I wish I could slap the shite out of people remotely.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 6:19 pm to Bigtime92
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