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re: Vivek going up in flames
Posted on 12/27/24 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/27/24 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yes but I would respect it more if they would just say that and stop with the excuses.
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Posted on 12/27/24 at 2:00 pm to AlterDWI
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If economic expansion means a country full of pajeets - what's the point? Why should anyone want to massively expand the economy if it only helps foreigners?
We’ve already seen the playbook with illegals.
Americans wont do these jobs because you refuse to pay an american wage. When I worked in kitchens it was mostly south americans but I saw plenty of black & white americans working hard as well. The idea that we are all lazy is such horseshite. You’re just too cheap to pay, it’s a fact. Millions of americans work low paying jobs that keep society afloat and get fricked every paycheck.
I dont care to be the #1 sports team in some frivolous race to make a few elites rich, I care about americans being able to afford a home, not going into debt due to medical expenses, being able to raise a family and save a bit for the future, and have a decent vacation once a year (like our european friends do). The normal american dream. Nothing has to be fancy, but our country should prioritize people over profits.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:15 pm to AlterDWI
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Why should anyone want to massively expand the economy if it only helps foreigners?
Alter, it helps Americans. Think of this: an American who is no more qualified than the average foreigner, lives far better; in other words, he has a much higher standard of living. Why? It’s because America’s economy is usually booming and growing. It’s because America’s military, which is made possible by this growth, keeps trading lanes open.
If America ceases to be the economic dynamo of the world our standard of living will adjust to that of the average developed nation, in other words - worse.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:18 pm to Naked Bootleg
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The USA has never been a "math olympiad" culture. Let's say India has that culture. Now compare what the USA has invented, developed, etc. and compare with India. Or all of Asia for that matter. There's more to it than simply being good at math or engineering.
This is true, but better comparisons are to Japan and Germany. Those are the math olympians, not India, which is mostly a nation of wretched morons.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:22 pm to 50_Tiger
If you aren’t familiar with the culture of Asian and Indian families, you should familiarize yourself
Family is number one, and to not succeed is to bring dishonor to the family.
I’m America first and want to see Americans in those jobs, but much of America does have a culture problem.
Family is number one, and to not succeed is to bring dishonor to the family.
I’m America first and want to see Americans in those jobs, but much of America does have a culture problem.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:23 pm to Penrod
I don't know what your industry is, but the Indians raising families in NOVA are producing the smartest kids in that region. And it's really not close.
My brother tutors kids 40 hrs per week on top of his patent lawyer job. All of his students get perfect/near perfect ACT/SAT scores and have gotten into Ivies, UVA, Carnegie Mellon and Stanford. Almost every student he tutors is Indian going to Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
My brother tutors kids 40 hrs per week on top of his patent lawyer job. All of his students get perfect/near perfect ACT/SAT scores and have gotten into Ivies, UVA, Carnegie Mellon and Stanford. Almost every student he tutors is Indian going to Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:35 pm to babyray
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It’s an excuse. They want cheaper labor. Everything else is bullshite. It’s always about the money.
When it comes to offshoring you are mostly correct. When it comes to H1B this is not true; it is mostly about finding competent technical workers, not about saving money on rates.
I know I am going to be skewered for saying this, but when you say “they” in the quote above you mean me. My business, for about the last 30 years was finding STEM talent to fuel projects. I occupied the role of lead for talent acquisition and the role of major shareholder. And I promise you, on all that I consider sacred, that we did not save any material amount by using H1B talent; we used it to fill gaping holes in the talent pipeline. The people on here who are arguing that we were just displacing more expensive American talent are spectacularly wrong.
On the other hand, we offshored for profit and to remain rate competitive with some of our larger competition. I hope this admission establishes my honesty. Why would I admit to this and lie about H1B? And if the US government decided to erase the profit incentive for offshoring, by imposing tariffs, for example, that would be fine with me. It would make the products we buy more expensive, but it would drive up the salaries of both the native US engineers and draftsmen as well as the H1B engineers. At least it would keep the playing field level among us and our competitors.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:39 pm to El Segundo Guy
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My brother tutors kids 40 hrs per week on top of his patent lawyer job. All of his students get perfect/near perfect ACT/SAT scores and have gotten into Ivies, UVA, Carnegie Mellon and Stanford. Almost every student he tutors is Indian going to Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology.
Any kid getting that level attention is going to do as well.
It's money generating success.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:41 pm to Narax
Yes. But the white people aren't paying for professional tutoring. Whether that be because of paying for travel ball and batting cages, or vacations at 30A, or laziness or aptitude.
He would love to have white students.
He would love to have white students.
This post was edited on 12/29/24 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:51 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Yes. But the white people aren't paying for professional tutoring. Whether that be because of paying for travel ball and batting cages, or vacations at 30A, or laziness or aptitude.
He would love to have white students.
NOVA Indians are stupid wealthy. They do tons of vacations to Dubai.
They have tons of family wealth from India.
One guy I knows Parents plan on retiring back to India because you can't have private servants in America in the same way as in India.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:54 pm to Narax
I'm not arguing any of that.
But even in say Houston. What do you think is different? Nothing. Vivek was right in that it's a culture problem.
Other families are prioritizing their kids' education, while we prioritize leisure. It would be fantastic for this country if instead of putting Jaxxson in travel ball, he got some STEM tutoring.
But even in say Houston. What do you think is different? Nothing. Vivek was right in that it's a culture problem.
Other families are prioritizing their kids' education, while we prioritize leisure. It would be fantastic for this country if instead of putting Jaxxson in travel ball, he got some STEM tutoring.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:55 pm to Narax
Being wealthy in a centuries old caste system maybe the best of worlds for the wealthy.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 12:58 pm to Undertow
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You disagree with an X post of his therefore he’s “going up in flames”? Don’t be so dramatic.
I've been saying it for a long time- there are as many snowflakes on the right as on the left. As many who want to partake in cancel culture as there are progressives. The emotional reactionaries on the right are as cringe as the shyscreamers on the left. It's embarrassing to see.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:22 pm to Penrod
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My business, for about the last 30 years was finding STEM talent to fuel projects.
Here we go...someone is about to lecture us and blow smoke up our asses.
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And I promise you, on all that I consider sacred, that we did not save any material amount by using H1B talent
Complete bullshite.
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we used it to fill gaping holes in the talent pipeline.
Also complete bullshite.
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The people on here who are arguing that we were just displacing more expensive American talent are spectacularly wrong.
More complete bullshite.
There is so much data out there demonstrating that H1B is a complete fraud.
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And if the US government decided to erase the profit incentive for offshoring, by imposing tariffs, for example, that would be fine with me.
I bet it would. You'd go out there and get more H1B cheap labor and frick over more Americans.
It amazes me how so many people on this board can see through the BS so often with Big Tech, Big Money, Big Gov, and the games they play, but all of sudden, with this issue, so many of you pump out the propaganda non stop and I can't help but notice it's only those with a strong incentive to either defend Trump or protect their own little gravy train. Gosh, that's so surprising, because both Left and Right have railed against H1B for a long time, providing data, anecdote, and litigation demonstrating what a fraud that program is.
America First, my arse. I don't think any of you give a shite about this country.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:25 pm to POTUS2024
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I bet it would. You'd go out there and get more H1B cheap labor and frick over more Americans.
That's pretty much what a majority of H1B is about. Clean it up!
Top % in ONLY.
Get education/training back to where it was!
I saw a tweet. Quick way to fix this: kid/someone want to learn IT/tech/coding, stop with the other BS classes in college. They can finish IT/Tech/coding school within 2 years or less.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:29 pm to Penrod
You’re conflating a high standard of living with overall quality of life. Yes, we have all the nice things that make us a first world nation and I for one do enjoy my smartphone and Xbox in my fleeting free time from work.
However, it’s strange that in the early 20th century, when we weren’t quite at that “superpower” status, we had less isolation and stronger family units.
Gen Z and Millennials are facing a loneliness epidemic and we are becoming more and more atomized in our culture. It already happened in Japan.
Is it better to take an economic hit and sacrifice the excessive material gains for long term stability and potential happiness on a familial level?
I would think so.
However, it’s strange that in the early 20th century, when we weren’t quite at that “superpower” status, we had less isolation and stronger family units.
Gen Z and Millennials are facing a loneliness epidemic and we are becoming more and more atomized in our culture. It already happened in Japan.
Is it better to take an economic hit and sacrifice the excessive material gains for long term stability and potential happiness on a familial level?
I would think so.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 1:49 pm to El Segundo Guy
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I'm not arguing any of that.
But even in say Houston. What do you think is different? Nothing. Vivek was right in that it's a culture problem.
Other families are prioritizing their kids' education, while we prioritize leisure. It would be fantastic for this country if instead of putting Jaxxson in travel ball, he got some STEM tutoring.
Not disagreeing, parental involvement and a culture of learning highly correlates with success.
I'd also say that there are pockets of education culture all over America.
If we look at SAT scores
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Group...............SAT
Native American.881
Lowest Income...887
New Mexico.......885
No HS Parents...901
Black ...............907
West Virginia.....919
Hispanic............939
Florida...............948
Public School....1024
Private School...1054
White................1083
BS Parents........1108
Home School.....1123
Highest Income..1152
Grad D Parents...1186
Arkansas...........1188
Louisiana...........1195
Nebraska...........1227
Asian................1228
Kansas..............1256
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:01 pm to Sizzle_DAWG
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However, it’s strange that in the early 20th century, when we weren’t quite at that “superpower” status, we had less isolation and stronger family units.
Gen Z and Millennials are facing a loneliness epidemic and we are becoming more and more atomized in our culture. It already happened in Japan.
Is it better to take an economic hit and sacrifice the excessive material gains for long term stability and potential happiness on a familial level?
I would think so.
This is a very thoughtful point. In my younger years I would have scoffed at it, and said, “This is freedom. My family unit is strong; my middle aged kids are not lonely; I have done much with my freedom, and too bad for those who are too weak to do the same.” But as I grow older, and the pathos you wrote about are getting more prevalent, I am having doubts.
Anyway, this much is certain: we must have enough economic dynamism to not be outstripped by any other nation. In doing so, we would ensure that we are not conquered.
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:15 pm to Penrod
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And I promise you, on all that I consider sacred, that we did not save any material amount by using H1B talent; we used it to fill gaping holes in the talent pipeline. The people on here who are arguing that we were just displacing more expensive American talent are spectacularly wrong.
Wait...
Could you have filled those roles if you payed more?
I can't really believe that those people were not available at ANY price?
Posted on 12/29/24 at 2:23 pm to Penrod
Thanks for entertaining my perspective. I think some middle ground on this issue would be a winner.
As the old saying goes: “United we stand, divided we fall”.
As the old saying goes: “United we stand, divided we fall”.
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