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Viktor Orban / Donald Trump - compare / contrast
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:23 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:23 am
I would be interested to hear those on this board compare and contrast these two leaders. I believe what concerns those of us who are trying to keep grounded enough to understand what is really going is that what happened with Orban will happen (or already is) with Trump. In May of last year, Trump said “it’s like we’re twins". LINK - Bloomberg
I dont care what jingoistic zealots like gthog or 93and99 have to say...those guys are clowns.. but I would be interested in takes from those who have an educated opinion on either side of the issue, without "waiving your finger" at me.
I think there are some eerie similarities here and I wonder what the some of the more astute posters on this board think.
I dont care what jingoistic zealots like gthog or 93and99 have to say...those guys are clowns.. but I would be interested in takes from those who have an educated opinion on either side of the issue, without "waiving your finger" at me.
I think there are some eerie similarities here and I wonder what the some of the more astute posters on this board think.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 9:25 am
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:25 am to TailbackU
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I dont care what jingoistic zealots like gthog or 93and99 have to say...those guys are clowns.
You sound scared
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:31 am to TailbackU
What is your opinion of V. Orban? What are you referring to when you mention"what happened with Orban"?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:34 am to AU86
He means that the Hungarian Parliament gave him the right to rule by decree and has suspended elections due to declaration of emergency (aka how democracies generally collapse into autocracy).
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 9:35 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:34 am to TailbackU
Orban is a fricking boss who loves his country and doesnt want it invaded by the barbarian hordes
So yes he and Trump are very similar
So yes he and Trump are very similar
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:41 am to TigerDoc
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He means that the Hungarian Parliament gave him the right to rule by decree and has suspended elections due to declaration of emergency (aka how democracies generally collapse into autocracy).
Oh, so OP is scared of something Trump has never shown any interest in doing and would never happen with our current Congress? Got it. Moving on.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:48 am to TigerDoc
It was my understanding that the government said that they would not follow through on the measure.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:52 am to AU86
I think their two paths have a great deal of similarity and a few differences as well.
From what I can discern, Orban has used calamity to seize near dictatorial power in Hungary without anyone on the outside paying him much attention. The EU has largely dismissed him because his country only represents a fraction of money and power but he has made some shrewd move to subvert democracy and seize power. Trump obviously is in a higher profile, but their paths have many similarities. Would be curious if anyone else here has studied this as well.
From what I can discern, Orban has used calamity to seize near dictatorial power in Hungary without anyone on the outside paying him much attention. The EU has largely dismissed him because his country only represents a fraction of money and power but he has made some shrewd move to subvert democracy and seize power. Trump obviously is in a higher profile, but their paths have many similarities. Would be curious if anyone else here has studied this as well.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 9:52 am to TigerDoc
Good thing we are a constitutional republic then
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:01 am to pmacattack
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Good thing we are a constitutional republic then
Hungary is parliamentary representative democratic republic. Not sure what your point is.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:08 am to TailbackU
How can anyone at the EU say anything about "dictatorial" powers with a straight face. That hypocritical body is full of unelected bureaucrats similar to the old Soviet system. The EU is nothing but the reincarnation and establishment of the old communist system (21st century style). The EU is packed full of socialists which equates to a money making machine for Merkel and Germany. Quit listening to people like Tusk and Guy Verhofstadt.
The EU has failed the people of Europe miserably during the Corona virus epidemic.
The EU has failed the people of Europe miserably during the Corona virus epidemic.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:15 am to TailbackU
My point is we have checks and balances to prevent a “collapse into autocracy” as Doc stated.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:16 am to TailbackU
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LINK - Bloomberg
Not clicking that!
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:19 am to AU86
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The EU has failed the people of Europe miserably during the Corona virus epidemic.
So are you saying that that has contributed to Orban subverting his own parliament to seize power? Serious question.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:22 am to TailbackU
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but their paths have many similarities.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:22 am to pmacattack
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My point is we have checks and balances to prevent a “collapse into autocracy” as Doc stated.
No doubt. But Hungary had checks too until they stopped using them. Now journalists are subject to jailing for reporting information that contradicts Orban's official government figures & narrative on the virus and the health situation. I'd expect people here would feel pretty uncomfortable about having to rely entirely on government information to figure out what's going on.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:24 am to TailbackU
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TailbackU
Liberal
who sucks at the teat of the taxpayer because he was a failure in life Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:25 am to TigerDoc
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I'd expect people here would feel pretty uncomfortable about having to rely entirely on government information to figure out what's going on.
Yeah. It’s hard enough to get the truth now. The current MSM is more propaganda than news.
When did they stop teaching who, what, when, where, how in journalism school?
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:35 am to roadGator
Autocracies end up governing poorly because their incentives are aligned with serving elites and not with usual needs voters. When the autocrats inevitably fail at producing the outcomes that they're looking for in their leaders, they start alternative narratives about why the things are failing (Jews, subversives, etc.) Orban's all over this stuff.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:42 am to TailbackU
It is no secret that the EU hates Orban and has for a long time. He and Salvini of Italy. There are elements in Italy that are trying to prosecute Salvini right now because he denied boats/ships with immigrants from landing/docking on their shore when he served in a minister role.
Orban is a nationalist that doesnt toe the EU line. As for the decree, I think that Orban probably tried to establish it to curtail some of the policies that opposition party mayors in large cities established that contradicted with national policy. Orban is not going to put up with the crap that Trump has to in regards to leftist governors or mayors. IMO Trump should have the ability to curtail/solve issues such as immigration, sanctuary cities/states and cities led by Democrats that have laid their districts to waste with the homeless issues. Things that contribute to the overall demise of the nation. Tough times call for tough measures if you want to save your nation from destructive policies established by fools.
Orban is a nationalist that doesnt toe the EU line. As for the decree, I think that Orban probably tried to establish it to curtail some of the policies that opposition party mayors in large cities established that contradicted with national policy. Orban is not going to put up with the crap that Trump has to in regards to leftist governors or mayors. IMO Trump should have the ability to curtail/solve issues such as immigration, sanctuary cities/states and cities led by Democrats that have laid their districts to waste with the homeless issues. Things that contribute to the overall demise of the nation. Tough times call for tough measures if you want to save your nation from destructive policies established by fools.
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