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rumproast
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Was at a buddy's tonight. We usually avoid politics..because we are diametrically opposed. I'm conservative...he's liberal. He believes that Schiff is destroying Trump....I told him it was a joke. He was hung up on his claim that the aid was tied to the "announcement" of an investigation into Biden. Refused to talk about the fact that Biden was involved in corruption....said it was a separate issue. I dunno...it's just amazing how out outlook is dictated by what news channel you watch. Both sides think they are clearly winning. It's fricking bizarre!!!!


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Both sides think they are clearly winning. It's fricking bizarre!!!!

But what do those who don't watch CNN, MSMSBC or Fox think? Are they even watching this fiasco?


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stuntman
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I'm nerding out right now listening to C-Span.

It's amazing how many people are calling in that are Dems saying they hate what the Dems are doing and how it's clearly a sham. I've been listening for the last 15 minutes and so far, it's been about 5 of 'em who've said it.



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Centinel
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Not really.

I'm a libertarian. I think Trump is a clown and did not, and will not, vote for him out of principle, even though I can admit he's done some good things for this country.

However, I expect something as important as an Impeachment accusation to be supported with material facts. We have not seen any, period. Professor Turley pretty much summed up my entire opinion on this partisan bull shite. What has been done to Trump is unprecedented, and tells me the Democrats don't give two flying fricks about this country or any of its institutions, and only care about power.



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Both sides think they are clearly winning


While Liberty is getting is it’s teeth kicked in. This Nation has so much more to be focusing on, but we are stuck here with a political shite sandwich that is dividing everyone more and more apart.


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ClientNumber9
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Your buddy is a white male liberal? Frankly, I'm more disappointed in you than him.


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AggieHank86
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Your friend is correct about the law, and you are correct in asserting that Trump will nonetheless prevail.


Centinel
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Your friend is correct about the law,


What law is he correct about?


Jcorye1
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What law is he correct about?



I'm assuming he's talking about Biden being guilty or not having any affect on the Trump trial.


AggieHank86
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I'm assuming he's talking about Biden being guilty or not having any affect on the Trump trial.
Correct.

The legal standard is whether Trump had objective facts in his possession to believe that an investigation was warranted. Whether Biden is ever determined to have actually committed an improper act is not the question.

Think of it like a request for a search warrant. The propriety of the search is determined based upon what information was available to the officer when he made the request, not based upon whether he did or did not find illicit activity.
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Oizers
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Based on that I guess everything the Dems are doing is illegal since they don't have anything to start this thing.


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Pussykat
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I think Trump is a clown and did not, and will not, vote for him out of principle, even though I can admit he's done some good things for this country.



I respect your opinion, I have to ask, who currently running for President is less of a clown that you would vote for over Trump?


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If only there were some way we could come together as a nation and decide who should be president, despite our disagreements over the actions of present and past presidents.

If only...


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Centinel
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I respect your opinion, I have to ask, who currently running for President is less of a clown that you would vote for over Trump?



I'll vote for the libertarian candidate, like I have since 2000.



aTmTexas Dillo
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I'm a libertarian. I think Trump is a clown and did not, and will not, vote for him out of principle, even though I can admit he's done some good things for this country.

Then vote for Bernie or Liz or Pete. I'm sure they will do great things for the country. But from my point of view and principal, I'm voting for Trump. I guess we'll cancel each other out.


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timdonaghyswhistle
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Objective facts, like say a video of Joe Biden bragging about extorting the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into the company that Joe Biden's son was on the board of?
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I'm a libertarian. I think Trump is a clown and did not, and will not, vote for him out of principle, even though I can admit he's done some good things for this country.


Come on man. You can't judge Trump in a vacuum.

I'm 2020 either Trump or the Democratic nominee will be elected.

If you can't recognize Trump will be the better option again then I don't know what to tell you.

Trump may be a clown but the Democrats are the whole fricking circus.


AggieHank86
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Objective facts, like say a video of Joe Biden bragging about extorting the Ukraine to fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into the company that Joe Biden's son was on the board of?
That certainly might be something that some Senators will find persuasive on this point.

Others will see it as an elected official prosecuting the official policy of his administration in seeking the ouster of a corrupt foreign official.

I suspect those interpretations will closely-conform to party lines.
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Trump may be a clown but the Democrats are the whole fricking circus.


I don't disagree. That won't change my stance of voting for the candidate who best represents my political ideology.



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timdonaghyswhistle
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Yes a "corrupt foreign official" who just happened to be interested in a company Joe Biden's son had a vested interest in. I more suspect the interpretation will conform to common sense.
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