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re: Ukraine eyes an offensive around Bakhmut, as Russian momentum stalls

Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:19 pm to
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13290 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:19 pm to
I can appreciate you fellas wanting to fight til the last dollar of credit is used up by the US.

And I may just be an ole country boy, but near as I can figure, Mother Russia looks pretty far into the liberated country...and they aint backin up.

But I like how you all spin it, make the biden administration proud.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13290 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:20 pm to
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Yet Russia still can’t take the city. Russias big winter offensive petered out into nothing. Now they are pulling T55 tanks out of storage.


Whoah now, you mean Russians are using old equipment, I heard we were the ones giving the ukes old junk???????
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
64390 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:23 pm to
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I don't believe any claims made by both Ukrainians and Americans


Understandable. But believing anything Russia claims would be equally dumb.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13290 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:26 pm to
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You’re incorrectly assuming what sources I’ve used to keep an eye on whats going on daily since the start.


No he's not, he is reading what you are posting and its propaganda to make US citizens feel good about being raped financially for something that does not concern us.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
48799 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:26 pm to
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Ukraine eyes an offensive around Bakhmut, as Russian momentum stalls


The Germans tried to regain access to Stalingrad.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11792 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:27 pm to
It’s been a virtual stale mate since November, when the weather for maneuver warfare switched to the muddy season.

Russia started a front wide offensive in January and has moved the front in some locations but has lost a lot of equipment and men in doing so. For its part Ukraine has lost a lot as well.

From various reports, the Russian attacks have slowed. Does this mean they are switching to defense? Pausing to rest/regroup/re-supply? Not sure, we will need ti wait and see

Does Ukraine move from defense to offense? If so when? When to western equipment get in country and in position?

Onus is on Ukraine. Russia just needs to hold the line while Ukraine needs to expel Russia in order to get their territory back. And it’s easier to defend than attack.

Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
4342 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:35 pm to
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I don't believe any claims made by both Ukrainians and Americans


Yep. Putin no doubt lies but noone lies as consistently as our own government.

Who the hell knows what’s going on over there but I don’t believe “our side” anymore than I believe their side.
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 3:36 pm
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12054 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:37 pm to
Yes he is, considering i dont use any domestic news sources.

and what exactly have i typed that is propaganda?

That ukraine is staging for a counter offensive, but i dont know how effective it will be? Wow! What amazing propaganda im listening to… oops, thats from Al Jazeera using quotes from Prighozin.

Frankly not sure how much more un-american of a source i can find.

AL-Jazeera Article

There is some political infighting going on the Russian side, which is why i said no idea how serious this counter offensive will be. Could be getting exaggerated by Prigohzin for political purposes. Which is why i said we will have a clearer picture once Rasputitsa clears up.
This post was edited on 3/24/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19366 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:48 pm to
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Yet Russia still can’t take the city. Russias big winter offensive petered out into nothing. Now they are pulling T55 tanks out of storage.


I'll know something is up if we start seeing T34's called up.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:51 pm to
Wagner has emptied out the prisons...they're running out of cannon fodder.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19366 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 3:59 pm to
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Lol. Ok. Been hearing this for a year.


It was a very long two weeks.

Most thought that Russia would have a quick cake walk, but looking at Ukraine's Western reworked military, its size and equipment built up since 2014 it was far more capable than most experts presumed.

Putin's boys suffered from a combination of arrogance and incompetence. They sent a thousand of the cream of their armor in to assault Kiev in three columns, but the ground was too soft and they all moved to the same road. That created a 35 mile long traffic jam that lasted for a month all of the time under fire.
Posted by ReeseBobby
Comanche TX
Member since Oct 2021
186 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 4:08 pm to
Russias army turned out to be a hollowed out shell of what it was presented to be. With rampant corruption at every level.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26052 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 4:22 pm to
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Russias army turned out to be a hollowed out shell of what it was presented to be.

So….essentially par for the course for the state of the Russian armed forces at the outset of every war Russia has fought in its existence.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
10866 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 5:44 pm to
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Numerous large fires in the #Bakhmut sector today, according to FIRMS data.
Have not seen this many in one day before.


https://mobile.twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1639324497776869390
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19366 posts
Posted on 3/24/23 at 5:51 pm to
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Understandable. But believing anything Russia claims would be equally dumb.


A crowd laughed at Russia's top diplomat when he said the Ukraine war "was launched against us." That was an audience in India which is sympathetic to Russia.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-diplomat-said-ukraine-war-launched-against-us-crowd-laughs-2023-3?op=1
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