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re: UHC exec killer wasn’t read rights before questioning and warranties search conducted?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:24 pm to UptownJoeBrown
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:24 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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Yes. Very much so. You?
I have enough experience to recognize that public defenders are overextended and are often unable to provide the level of defense they would like to due to enormous caseloads and lack of resources.
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Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:25 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m not an attorney
But you’re arguing with people who are.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:26 pm to 4cubbies
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Oh hey. I actually thought of you the other day. I was in a meeting with a bunch of stakeholders for something. A formerly incarcerated man was also there and actually said, “People in prison are traumatized. Being in prison is traumatizing.” I didn’t get the chance to tell him he’s wrong, though.
You should have asked him for details.
What did he do to go to prison anyway, does he regret what he did?
What parts of being in prison are traumatizing, how often is it traumatizing.
Its not shocking that the type of people who violate laws hate laws.
Thats why they are in prison.
But seriously beyond the vague trust me, do you want to be detailed about specifics?
If there is an aspect of prison that requires reform, it does no good to be vague.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:26 pm to stout
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There's a pretty easy fix to this
Are you under the impression that no one has ever been exonerated?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:26 pm to 4cubbies
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I have enough experience to recognize that public defenders are overextended and are often unable to provide the level of defense they would like to due to enormous caseloads and lack of resources.
Wrong. That’s just a myth to claim ineffective assistance of counsel.
What is your experience?
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:29 pm to 4cubbies
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I have enough experience to recognize that public defenders are overextended and are often unable to provide the level of defense they would like to due to enormous caseloads and lack of resources.
So naive.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:29 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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But you’re arguing with people who are.
I’m not arguing about case law. I’m arguing that years-long pretrial detention is bullshite and shouldn’t happen. I’m arguing that our cj system is abusive and broken.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:29 pm to 4cubbies
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Are you at all familiar with the criminal justice system? Do you have any first hand experience?
That's not an answer.
If the attorney for the guy y'all are discussing didn't inform his client that he could push for a speedy trial, I don't know whether that would rise to the level of malpractice or not, but clearly it was his deliberate legal strategy to not do so for whatever reason.
Maybe he told his client why or maybe he didn't. But it was obviously a deliberate legal strategy.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:29 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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Wrong. That’s just a myth to claim ineffective assistance of counsel.
We’re supposed to just take your word for it?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:30 pm to 4cubbies
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I have enough experience to recognize that public defenders are overextended and are often unable to provide the level of defense they would like to due to enormous caseloads and lack of resources.
Are you aware that studies show that public defenders get slightly better outcomes than private attorneys?
This post was edited on 12/6/25 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:30 pm to 4cubbies
3,698 known exonerations since 1989 out of 11 million who have been imprisoned during that same time frame.
Do the math
Do the math
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:31 pm to wackatimesthree
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but clearly it was his deliberate legal strategy to not do so
What makes this clear?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:31 pm to 4cubbies
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What makes this clear?
The fact that the trial took so long.
They could have easily sped it up if they had wanted to.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:32 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m arguing that our cj system is abusive and broken.
It’s actually working great for defendants. Not so great for victims.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:32 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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He was charged with robbery, grand larceny, and assault. How many years was he looking at?
I don’t know sentencing laws anywhere, especially not in NY. But his charges were dropped. You’re insinuating guilt.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:33 pm to 4cubbies
Every public defender knows about the Right to a Speedy Trial. None push it because it’s stupid to do so.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:33 pm to 4cubbies
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We’re supposed to just take your word for it?
Being in criminal court every day for years gives me some insight.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:35 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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It’s actually working great for defendants. Not so great for victims
But we continue to throw enormous resources toward maintaining this ineffective system.
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:35 pm to 4cubbies
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I’m arguing that years-long pretrial detention is bullshite and shouldn’t happen.
So what would you do instead?
Posted on 12/6/25 at 9:36 pm to wackatimesthree
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So what would you do instead?
Give people speedy trials.
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