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JackieTreehorn
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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
That Unidentified series on History Channel is fascinating. Lue Elizondo and Christopher Mellon produced this program and are very credible folks. I’m on season two right now and highly recommend it.


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xxTIMMYxx
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Your knowledge about the ufo situation is quite on the peripheral and very weak. You are literally telling people who have researched for 40-50 years and higher ups in the government that their opinions are wack when you know very little. Not surprising in 2021. Our scientists are clueless BTW.


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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
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You know, similar things happened over DC in 1952. Do you think that was our Air Force too? We were just starting to build rocket engines


But what was sighted wasn't ticktac technology. There's really not much data we can look at from that incident. Imaginations and good stories sell papers. Tell me how that was such a significant event with no photos or film or...what?


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The Kenneth Arnold UFO sighting occurred on June 24, 1947, when private pilot Kenneth Arnold claimed that he saw a string of nine, shiny unidentified flying objects flying past Mount Rainier at speeds that Arnold estimated at a minimum of 1,200 miles an hour (1,932 km/hr). This was the first post-War sighting in the United States that garnered nationwide news coverage and is credited with being the first of the modern era of UFO sightings, including numerous reported sightings over the next two to three weeks. Arnold's description of the objects also led to the press quickly coining the terms flying saucer and flying disc as popular descriptive terms for UFOs.


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The reflections came from flying objects. They flew in a long chain, and Arnold for a moment considered they might be a flock of geese, but quickly ruled this out for a number of reasons, including the altitude, bright glint, and obviously very fast speed. He then thought they might be a new type of jet and started looking intently for a tail and was surprised that he couldn't find any.[citation needed]

They quickly approached Rainier and then passed in front, usually appearing dark in profile against the bright white snowfield covering Rainier, but occasionally still giving off bright light flashes as they flipped around erratically. Sometimes he said he could see them on edge when they seemed so thin and flat they were practically invisible. According to Jerome Clark,[2][3] Arnold described them as a series of objects with convex shapes, though he later revealed that one object differed by being crescent-shaped. Several years later, Arnold would state he likened their movement to saucers skipping on water, without comparing their actual shapes to saucers,[4] but initial quotes from him do indeed have him comparing the shape to a "saucer", "disc", "pie pan", or "half moon", or generally convex and thin (discussion below). At one point Arnold said they flew behind a subpeak of Rainier and briefly disappeared. Knowing his position and the position of the (unspecified) subpeak, Arnold placed their distance as they flew past Rainier at about 23 miles (37 km).[citation needed]


The first 'flying saucer' was actually crescent shaped and skipped through the skis like 'saucers skipping on water.'
BUT, everybody been seeing them saucers since!!!

Google Northrop YB-35 or 49 and that's what Arnold saw.


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Enadious
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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
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Our scientists are clueless BTW.

Funny how you throw ALL scientists in the same barrel.


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xxTIMMYxx
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There are real pictures of the 1952 event and they aren’t hard to find. You don’t dismiss something when over 10,000 people see it


ThinePreparedAni
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Where do you think "Sergio Pais" and his Navy patents fit into all this?


It would support the case that some of it is our tech
That said, is it “ours” or reversed engineered “ours” with “theirs” also out there
I still have issues with it being exclusively our tech (will elaborate in the next few posts)

Pais comments below as very alchemical in nature

Prior thread:

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks/88223770/


Important update

The literal savior of the country (Salvatore Pais translated...) has spoken...

Energy from the vacuum (compare this with post to follow)

Buckle up Jetsons...


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks

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The Secretive Inventor Of The Navy's Bizarre 'UFO Patents' Finally Talks
Dr. Salvatore Pais has finally spoken to The War Zone concerning his seemingly out of this world patents filed on behalf of the U.S. Navy.

BY BRETT TINGLEYJANUARY 22, 2020


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Over the last six months, The War Zone has been deeply reporting on a set of bizarre patents assigned to the U.S. Navy. The patents, which are all the product of a single inventor, truly sound like the stuff of science fiction and include high-temperature superconductors, gravitational wave generators, compact fusion reactors, and high-energy electromagnetic field generators. Most radical of all is the “hybrid aerospace-underwater craft” claimed to be able to “engineer the fabric of our reality at the most fundamental level” by seemingly bending the laws of physics as we know them. Together, these patents seem to be the building blocks of a vehicle with truly out-of-this-world, UFO-like performance. As part of our reporting, we have been working to better understand the mind behind this mysterious intellectual property. Now, the elusive Dr. Salvatore Cezar Pais has spoken to The War Zone.


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Dr. Pais recently published a new academic paper in the IEEE Transactions on Plasma Science journal detailing his work on his Plasma Compression Fusion Device. That device, the patent for which The War Zone has previously reported on, is a compact fusion reactor claimed to be capable of creating a net energy gain, a breakthrough that would revolutionize energy production if truly feasible.


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His comments:

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The fact that my work on the design of a Compact Fusion Reactor was accepted for publication in such a prestigious journal as IEEE TPS, should speak volumes as to its importance and credibility - and should eliminate (or at least alleviate) all misconceptions you (or any other person) may have in regard to the veracity (or possibility) of my advanced physics concepts.

Mr. Tingley, do realize that my work culminates in the enablement of the Pais Effect (original physical concept). The Pais Effect comprises the generation of extremely high electromagnetic energy fluxes (and hence high local energy densities) generated by controlled motion of electrically charged matter (from solid to plasma states) subjected to accelerated vibration and/or accelerated spin, via rapid acceleration transients. Such high energy EM radiation can locally interact with the Vacuum Energy State (VES) - the VES being the Fifth State of Matter (Fifth Essence - Quintessence), in other words the fundamental structure (foundational framework), from which Everything else (Spacetime included) in our Quantum Reality, emerges.

The Engineering of the Pais Effect can give rise to the Enablement of Macroscopic Quantum Coherence, which if you have closely been following my work, you understand the importance of. I must stress that all this work (patents, patent applications and technical papers) was conducted as a NAVAIR/ NAWCAD employee, and that my current position with Navy SSP has absolutely no bearing or in any way, shape or form has anything to do with this advanced physics work.

Thank you for your interest in my physics concepts, and try to keep an open mind in regard to my work.

Respectfully, Sal Salvatore Cezar Pais, Ph.D. A.D. MMXIX


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Despite Dr. Pais’ insistence that the Pais Effect is indeed a real phenomenon and the assurance that NAVAIR’s Chief Technology Officer gave the USPTO, we have been unable to find a single scientist or engineer who can corroborate the claims made in Dr. Pais’s patents. Nevertheless, in another correspondence, Dr. Pais assured The War Zone that “as far as the doubting SMEs [subject matter experts] are concerned, my work shall be proven correct one fine day…”.


It will be a glorious day

Here is what the detractors say:

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According to Willis, Dr. Pais' most recent work represents "a classic case of pathological science." Willis says the literature for the plasma compression fusion device contains invented jargon, nonsensical statements, weak or absent evidence of an informed theoretical basis, an "overabundance of nebulous adjectives and adverbs instead of meaningful quantities in technical writing," and "lots of statements made in passing that seem to contradict basic and accepted physics." Willis says that Dr. Pais "references subjects that have consistently been plagued with pathological science and popular misunderstanding for decades, such as vacuum energy. It's hard not to suspect he's either drinking the kool-aid himself, or just chumming the waters for the kind of people who do." Still, even Willis notes that "this case is mildly unusual in that the author has a Ph. D. and is employed by the government, his patents are assigned to the government, and the paper is slated to appear in a rather widely-read IEEE outlet. However, these facts in no way temper my view that this is all basically nonsense--it just raises additional questions about the cui bono of this particular case."


Again, it cannot exist in my worldview, so it does not exist

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As we continue to report on the extraordinary claims of Dr. Salvatore Pais and the inventions he has patented on behalf of the Navy, we continue to find scientists who suggest that the intended audience of these patents may not, in fact, be the scientific or aerospace communities as these patents and their supporting publications contain what most would call pseudoscience and empty jargon. Still, as we noted earlier, there are decades of research into similar approaches at breakthrough propulsion technologies or so-called "space time metric engineering", much of it U.S. government-funded.


Esoteric science
“The things that should not be...”
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ThinePreparedAni
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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
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You know, similar things happened over DC in 1952. Do you think that was our Air Force too? We were just starting to build rocket engines


Agree with Timmy that some of this goes waayyyyy back

Some of this could be:

1. Our current exotic tech designed by humans
2. Our current tech back engineered
3. Others tech
4 All of the above

Issues I have with scenario 1 alone:This tech has been documented to mess with our military. Some may dismiss this as higher officers with need to know for the engagements (not likely, but plausible). This tech also has been documented to mess with our nuclear arsenal (turning ICBMs on and off). I am quite sure this would not be authorized by anyone in the white world military

Deeper concerns stretch back deep in human history and folklore. Common stories are told composed of:

Strange visions in the sky
Strange beings
Lost time
Sexual /genetic manipulation
Trickster behavior
Messages/knowledge transfer

These themes apply to fairies, jinn, spirits, angels, demons, and aliens

Vallee theorizes that the phenomenon is a control system (that likely control human conciousness/perception). Which may account for why the Tic Tac knew the cap point (it literally read the pilots mind). Now, does that take us into simulation theory (perhaps)?
Not surprisingly, many of the folks who are deep into studying this also are deep into conciousness studies. Again, very strange territory (but further supporting this are DMT studies regularly resulting in communication with entities). I tend to think that the reality of what is going on will be in this territory (placing us into the spiritual/metaphysical).

For those not following, some speculate that our minds are not in our skulls (the hard problem of conciousness), Our mind is in a field around us/perhaps permeating the universe with our brains being the radio that receives the signal of the mind. This principle would account for NDE and experiences on certain drugs. When the filter of the brain is turned off our perceptions may actually become enhanced in an expansive state of mind...

If the signal of our mind is out there, others may be able to tune into it and/or alter the broadcast...
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xxTIMMYxx
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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
Yea, maybe it was the Air Force that went to almost every single nuclear site in the US (and also Russia), hovered for long periods as hundreds watched, then remotely shut down our missiles in the 50’s through the 80’s. Maybe it’s the Air Force that’s been harassing our nuclear submarines/aircraft carriers above and below water. I’m sure they were the ones sabotaging our nuclear missile tests too mid flight at supersonic speeds.
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re: UAP primer: essential information for what is to come
Off subject but it seems our reality and world has gone to shite since this

On September 10, 2008, scientists successfully flip the switch for the first time on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) lab in Geneva, kicking off what many called history’s biggest science experiment.


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Angry Bruce Pearl
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These stories of craft moving in ways that seem to break the laws of physics are fascinating. It seems similar to how the tech in Mass Effect works. For the uninitiated, there is a substance called "Element Zero" that can raise or lower mass when subjected to electric currents. "Mass effect" fields can be manipulated so that ships or anything else have more or less mass than they should. A ship with a mass effect drive will take almost no delta V to reach orbit and can actually travel at FTL by way of a mass effect field making the ship's mass equal to zero.


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Enadious
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There are real pictures of the 1952 event and they aren’t hard to find.

I just did the Google thing and didn't find any. I did find stories with various explanations.
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JackieTreehorn
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What I don’t understand is if the US has this kind of world changing technology, why haven’t we used it? Having this technology would theoretically make us invincible.


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ThinePreparedAni
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Speculation is that Lue has a piece for 60 minutes filmed and ready to go


Looks to be accurate...

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Below you will find a collection of CIA related UFO records. The Black Vault’s connection to the CIA in getting some of these UFO documents released goes back to 1996.

Originally, the CIA would only release about 1,000 pages that had been previously disclosed after a FOIA court case in the 1980s. They never addressed the records that were dated in the years after the case.

The Black Vault spent years fighting for them, and many were released in the late 1990s. However, over time, the CIA made a CD-ROM collection of UFO documents, which encompassed the original records, along with the ones that took years to fight for.
1000s in searchable files


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Bumping this myself before those that may be interest don't see it.


ThinePreparedAni
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Pretty good days for articles
Appear to be ramp up leading into Sunday 60 Minute piece:

NY Times article

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Our Aliens, Ourselves
May 13, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET


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The way I’ve framed the thought experiment in recent conversations is this: Imagine, tomorrow, an alien craft crashed down in Oregon. There are no life forms in it. It’s effectively a drone. But it’s undeniably extraterrestrial in origin. So we are faced with the knowledge that we’re not alone, that we are perhaps being watched, and we have no way to make contact. How does that change human culture and society? One immediate effect, I suspect, would be a collapse in public trust. Decades of U.F.O. reports and conspiracies would take on a different cast. Governments would be seen as having withheld a profound truth from the public, whether or not they actually did. We already live in an age of conspiracy theories. Now the guardrails would truly shatter, because if U.F.O.s were real, despite decades of dismissals, who would remain trusted to say anything else was false? Certainly not the academics who’d laughed them off as nonsense, or the governments who would now be seen as liars.


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The question, then, would be who could impose meaning on such an event. “Instead of a land grab, it would be a narrative grab,” Diana Pasulka, author of “American Cosmic: U.F.O.s, Religion, Technology,” told me. There would be enormous power — and money — in shaping the story humanity told itself. If we were to believe that the contact was threatening, military budgets would swell all over the world. A more pacific interpretation might orient humanity toward space travel or at least interstellar communication. Pasulka says she believes this narrative grab is happening even now, with the military establishment positioning itself as the arbiter of information over any U.F.O. events.


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One lesson of the pandemic is that humanity’s desire for normalcy is an underrated force, and there is no single mistake as common to political analysis as the constant belief that this or that event will finally change everything. If so many can deny or downplay a disease that’s killed millions, dismissing some unusual debris would be trivial. “An awful lot of people would basically shrug and it’d be in the news for three days,” Adrian Tchaikovsky, the science fiction writer, told me. “You can’t just say, ‘still no understanding of alien thing!’ every day. An awful lot of people would be very keen on continuing with their lives and routines no matter what.”


An interesting narrative regarding covid
Mother should I trust the government...

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There is a thick literature on how evidence of alien life would shake the world’s religions, but I think Brother Guy Consolmagno, director of the Vatican Observatory, is quite likely right when he suggests that many people would simply say, “of course.” The materialist worldview that positions humanity as an island of intelligence in a potentially empty cosmos — my worldview, in other words — is the aberration. Most people believe, and have always believed, that we share both the earth and the cosmos with other beings — gods, spirits, angels, ghosts, ancestors. The norm throughout human history has been a crowded universe where other intelligences are interested in our comings and goings, and even shape them. The whole of human civilization is testament to the fact that we can believe we are not alone and still obsess over earthly concerns.




ThinePreparedAni
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CBS prepping for the weekend:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-week-on-sunday-morning-may-16-2021/?fbclid=IwAR0Pd3kAW02rgEMDLlUCpPdDMFRodcB0YB3wEuMBJCYJoL2m1B7kPamVmyg

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This week on "Sunday Morning"
(May 16) MAY 13, 2021 / 5:59 PM / CBS NEWS


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COVER STORY:
UFO studies and the possibility of alien origin
Our fascination with aliens has also led us to speculate about unidentified flying objects – unexplained airborne phenomena – that just might point to extraterrestrial origin. Correspondent David Pogue reports on how, as the scientific community continues to question the legitimacy of possible alien visitations, the government's attention toward UFOs has become more serious.


Interesting CBS using the term alien...

Synchronicity on that page right below the article (for those who know)

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Brood X Cicadas are making their 17-year comeback.


ThinePreparedAni
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https://www.inverse.com/innovation/ufo-pentagon-report-preview-luis-elizondo-interview

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UFO EVANGELIST: PENTAGON REPORT IS JUST THE "TIP OF THE SPEAR"


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When Inverse first reached out to Elizondo, his spokesperson said there was a media blackout until May 17. However, he agreed to an email interview later the same day. Below is the rest of the interview, edited for clarity.


May 17 = 60 Minutes

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In a recent New York Post interview, you allude to “fear” on the part of the Pentagon. What is this fear rooted in? You mention “religious objections, concerns over tarnishing its own reputation and fears of inciting public panic” in the interview.

I think we’ll start getting more examples of this in the weeks and months ahead. But we’re seeing a shift! It’s been a while since I’ve heard a person of faith express fear about this. The Catholic church, for example, has embraced this subject head-on. It’s exciting! This is not a discussion that opposes religion, and may ironically prove to bolster some religious ideals. Furthermore, many of the “Old Guard” at DoD who feared a challenge to their preconceived notions are slowly fading into the background. Many within our government realize we are part of a bigger, more beautiful, more complex reality.


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In your opinion, what is the most likely explanation for these crafts and why are military targets of particular importance?

The DoD and IC are under immense pressure to answer this very question. The American people deserve to know the answers that their tax dollars have paid for. Much of this information still remains under lock and key.


This response implies they know the answer...

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What will the Pentagon report likely shape up to be? What work will need to be done afterward?

The 180-day report slated for June is likely to be an interim report and only the beginning of a more expansive effort to answer the hard questions:

What are the capabilities? What is their intent? Where is it from? What does it want?


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How many more videos might be released? Is there a timeline for their release?

In my opinion, the videos in the public sphere so far are some of the least compelling cases that our pilots, radar, and other advanced sensors have collected. And that should say something! I can’t comment on how many videos and comprehensive data the U.S. Government has in its possession, suffice it to say, we’re just getting started.


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