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re: UAP /paranormal primer: essential information for what is to come

Posted on 4/13/21 at 5:57 pm to
Posted by Crimson Wraith
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 5:57 pm to
How about some USO stuff.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:02 pm to
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How about some USO stuff.


https://thedebrief.org/pentagon-confirms-leaked-ufo-images-are-authentic/

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PENTAGON CONFIRMS LEAKED UFO IMAGES ARE AUTHENTIC Avatar
TIM MCMILLAN·


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The Debrief has obtained original copies of three photographs, believed to be the same ones reported by Knapp to have been discussed in a private briefing hosted by Nevada billionaire and owner of Bigelow Aerospace, Robert Bigelow, on April 6, 2019. In his article at Mystery Wire, Knapp reported the photos to show three separate objects, all taken on the same day. So far, The Debrief has not been able to independently confirm that these were three different objects. However, analysis of the image metadata supports that pilots took all three photos over a 32 minute period on the same day.

According to the metadata, the “Acorn” image was captured by the forward-facing camera of an Apple iPhone 8 on March 4, 2019. A similar analysis using Jeffrey Friedl’s Image Metadata Viewer reveal the “Blimp” and “Sphere” photos to have been captured on the same date of March 4, but describe the images as being “screenshots.”




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Another leaked UFO photo and briefing slide shared by Corbell was reportedly captured by the USS Omaha, showing what was described as a spherical-shaped object “suspected to be a transmedium vehicle” after being observed descending into the water and disappearing.




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While airborne encounters with UAP continue to dominate public conversations, officials familiar with the efforts to examine these perplexing events have told The Debrief that encounters with mysterious, fast-moving, “non-cavitational” unidentified underwater vehicles are of particularly serious concern for the UAP Task Force and intelligence officials. Active-duty Navy officials tell The Debrief that in late 2019, the Navy conducted testing of marine sonar systems in the general area where destroyers had previously encountered the unrecognized drones.

During testing, which was said to involve several classes of surface vessels and submarines, sonar arrays detected what were classed “anomalies” in some of the deepest regions and underwater trenches within the SOCAL training range.


Also reference the vid showing a UAP going into the ocean near Puerto Rico


https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/mncsy8/best_ufo_that_govt_cameras_have_ever_caught_on/

Reddit link with vid from Puerto Rico
Report in thread also

Keep in mind it is FLIR and at night...

They are in the:

Oceans
Earth
Moon
Posted by Honest Tune
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 6:32 pm to
All of the flight patterns and mannerisms of these things remind me of the craft in Flight of the Navigator. I guess I’ll have to give that another viewing, it’s been a while.

That said... that video showing the craft going in the ocean of Puerto Rico, it looked to only be about the size of a vehicle.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/24/21 at 8:57 am to
Elizondo did a zoom press conference with multiple journalists (including NY Times and NBC). Watched it yd. summary below. Good overview on “what we know”

https://nypost.com/2021/04/24/pentagon-ufo-report-its-a-reality-whistleblower-says/?utm_source=reddit.com

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Pentagon UFO report: They ‘acknowledged the reality,’ whistleblower says
By Michael Kaplan and Steven Greenstreet April 24, 2021 | 8:43am


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UFOs are "real" and information is coming, says controversial Pentagon whistleblower Luis Elizondo. Mystery Wire

The US government is actually gearing up to share information about the “reality” of UFOs with the public — and not a moment too soon, says the man who claims to have run the Pentagon’s UFO program for 9 year


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During a press conference this week, Elizondo made clear that UFOs have been observed to have qualities that are nothing less than otherworldly. He described vessels flying at 11,000 miles-per-hour and being able to turn “instantly.” Providing a comparison, he explained, for our most advanced jets going at the same speed, “if you wanted to make a right-hand turn, it would take you about half the state of Ohio to do it.”


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He also detailed Spielberg-worthy operational capabilities that fall into the realm of “transmedium travel.” Elizondo explained that the eye-popping vessels can fly 50-feet above the Earth’s surface or 80,000 feet in the sky and even submerge underwater without a compromise in performance: “When you see that, you recognize you are dealing with a technology more advanced than ours.”


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Even the way in which these inexplicable flying-machines manage to lift-off blows away rational engineering. “[These] things have no wings, no cockpits, no control surfaces, no rivets in the skin, no obvious signs of propulsion — and somehow they are able to defy the natural effects of Earth’s gravity,” Elizondo said. “How is that possible?”


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However, for generations, and for all the wrong reasons, national security bigwigs did not want to release more information to the public, Elizondo claims. “They felt that it made them look inept,” he said. “They felt in some cases that it challenged their philosophical and theological belief systems … They just couldn’t process it.” “There seems to be a very distinct congruency between UAP activity and our nuclear technology,” he continued. “That’s concerning to the point where we’ve actually had some of our nuclear capabilities disabled by these things … There is absolutely evidence that UAPs have an active interest in our nuclear technology.” If this starts to sound like a “Twilight Zone” episode – Elizondo talks about UFOs pulling as many as 700 G-forces when our most technologically advanced aircraft can stand only 17 before falling apart (and that’s to say nothing about pilots at the controls) — it’s easy to hope for a fast and satisfactory wrap-up.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:48 pm to
Big read from the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/05/10/how-the-pentagon-started-taking-ufos-seriously

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How the Pentagon Started Taking U.F.O.s Seriously

For decades, flying saucers were a punch line. Then the U.S. government got over the taboo.
By Gideon Lewis-Kraus April 30, 2021


Lots of info
Good overview of important historical events and players involved

Interesting tidbits:

Leslie Kean - author who wrote The NY Times piece, has very privileged background. Her uncle headed the 9/11 Commission...

Kean has a documentary on Netflix, Surviving Death. Content seems disparate, but may be on point (limitation of human perception)

The article brings in:

Podesta /Clinton White House (again, think occult/paranormal given the speculation around these)

Tom Delonge

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After Elizondo resigned, he and other key aatip participants—including Mellon, Puthoff, and Semivan—almost immediately joined To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science, an operation dedicated to U.F.O.-related education, entertainment, and research, and organized by Tom DeLonge, a former front man of the pop-punk outfit Blink-182. Later that month, DeLonge invited Elizondo onstage at a launch event. Elizondo announced that they were “planning to provide never-before-released footage from real U.S. government systems—not blurry amateur photos but real data and real videos.” Kean was told that she could have the videos, along with chain-of-custody documentation, if she could place a story in the Times. Kean soon developed doubts about DeLonge, after he appeared on Joe Rogan’s podcast to discuss his belief that what crashed at Roswell was a reverse-engineered U.F.O. built in Argentina by fugitive Nazi scientists, but she had full confidence in Elizondo. “He had incredible gravitas,” Kean told me.


As things evolve, keep this in the back of your mind...

Harry Reid - who states in the article that Lockheed Martin has retrieved materials from UFOs

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In the story, Kean and Blumenthal wrote that Harry Reid “believed that crashes of vehicles from other worlds had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades, often by aerospace companies under government contracts.” The day after its publication, the Times had to append a correction: Senator Reid did not believe that crash debris had been allocated to private military contractors for study; he believed that U.F.O.s may have crashed, and that, if so, we should be studying the fallout. When I asked Reid about the confusion, he told me that he admired Kean but that he had never seen proof of any remnants—something Kean had never actually claimed. He left no doubt in our conversation as to his personal assessment. “I was told for decades that Lockheed had some of these retrieved materials,” he said. “And I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff. They would not approve that. I don’t know what all the numbers were, what kind of classification it was, but they would not give that to me.” He told me that the Pentagon had not provided a reason. I asked if that was why he’d requested sap status for aatip. He said, “Yeah, that’s why I wanted them to take a look at it. But they wouldn’t give me the clearance.” (A representative of Lockheed Martin declined to comment for this article.)


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In 2019, Luis Elizondo had suggested to Tucker Carlson that such detritus existed. (He then quickly invoked his security oath.) Kean cited Jacques Vallée, perhaps the most famous living ufologist, and the basis for François Truffaut’s character in “Close Encounters of the Third Kind,” who has been working with Garry Nolan, a Stanford immunologist, to analyze purported crash material for scientific publication. (Vallée declined to speak about it on the record, concerned that it might undermine the peer-review process, but told me, “We hope it will be the first U.F.O. case published in a refereed scientific journal.”)


Vallee has a book that is supposed to be released any day now called, The Best Kept Secret...

Rumbling on the fringe is that the next 30 days are supposed to be big (from some pretty reputable folks I follow). Some will try to spin/craft narratives for what is to come.

Will see
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:55 pm to
What sites are you getting this information about something going down soon? People have been saying that for a decade
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:01 pm to
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What sites are you getting this information about something going down soon?


https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/n38v02/lue_elizondo_pay_attention_for_the_next_30_days/

Elizondo
Nick Pope
James Fox

Timing of Vallee’s book

General world events
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:02 pm to
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I do not pretend to have all the answers. I appreciate constructive criticisms/other viewpoints.



you are missing the explanation that's conservatively about 99.9999999% likely to be accurate. they are ours or foreign government crafts.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 10:03 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:06 pm to
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you are missing the explanation that's conservatively about 99.9999999% likely to be accurate. they are ours or foreign government crafts.


Incorrect

We certainly have discussed this option

That leads us down the path of, if we have this technology why have we not seen greater applications/revolutions in the energy sector (especially in the climate of climate change doom porn)

Still a big deal anyway you slice it

And we have had flat out denials when the DoD has been posed this question. Make what you will about this, but acknowledge that you at that point are concocting a conspiracy theory to accommodate to your worldview....
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 10:13 pm
Posted by TRUERockyTop
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:25 pm to
These are always the best threads on this forum
Posted by Ted2010
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:26 pm to
This will go as well as the Q thread
Posted by Fells
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:32 pm to
Nah, these are good. Old school conspiracy shite is cool and still super related to politics. It's a refreshing change from the current focuses of modern conspiracy culture.

Maybe I'm just nostalgic for the early 90s southwest alien aesthetic.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:58 pm to
It won't be a conspiracy for much longer.

Disclosure is coming within the next decade, imo.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 8:26 am to
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dkBsbiaIzqw

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EXCLUSIVE -

(Part 2) Ex Pentagon official Luis Elizondo reveals UFO bombshells | The Basement Office 107,107 views 5.1K 119 Share Save Report New York Post 588K subscribers SUBSCRIBE Premiered 23 hours ago PART 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emn6j...?

Luis "Lue" Elizondo is a former intelligence officer with the Department of Defense. He claims he was the director of AATIP, the Pentagon's "UFO program", from 2010-2017. In part 2 of this exclusive interview with Steven Greenstreet of "The Basement Office", Elizondo discusses the crazy physics UFOs use to move, what the government needs to reveal to the public in the upcoming June Pentagon UFO report, and whether UFOs pose "a threat."


Part 1:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=emn6jozxHxU&t=0s

Takehomes:

Lue emphasizes that these things may live on Earth alongside us

Importance of water and the ocean (watch the water)

Speculates on the physics involved (warp bubbles and quantum mechanics)
Lue states humanity may have full use of this tech over the next 100 years

Lue state something big will drop over the next 30 days (Interviews filmed April 20)
Speculation is that Lue has a piece for 60 minutes filmed and ready to go (I would expect later this month prior to the June deadline)

Posted by LookSquirrel
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:47 am to
TPA? Where do you think "Sergio Pais" and his Navy patents fit into all this?
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:33 am to
At the minimum, NASA says they will have proof of alien life within 15-20 years. They must be pretty confident in their new telescopes
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 10:34 am
Posted by Enadious
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:40 am to
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At the minimum, NASA says they will have proof of alien life within 15-20 years.


And Popular Mechanics has been saying we'd have flying cars for the last 50 years. There's no way NASA's claim has any substance. It's all a crapshoot. A division of the government will claim anything to get more funding.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:18 pm to
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we'd have flying cars for the last 50 years


You may need to rethink this statement (as the tech may have indeed been ready, but suppressed as it would have been too disruptive)

On many levels
Military would have had tremendous difficulty defending threats if everyone had this level of tech. A decision may have been made to keep this in the black world/special projects, until society could better adjust. Part of the global surveillance state push may be to have the infrastructure to monitor/regulate such tech

They may not have been wrong (and what we are seeing in the skies are further advancement of this technology)

This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 1:47 pm
Posted by NashvilleTider
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:26 pm to
Christopher Mellon on Rogan the other day was an amazing watch. He said that this isn't our tech or any other countries. We can't make it and neither can they. He said we would know if it were a foreign power's tech. We spend over 6 billion just on spying on tech. Said the physics of these craft is so mind blowing it's unreal and he said there is an up close video that will come out that will change everything.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 1:27 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:43 pm to
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Christopher Mellon on Rogan the other day was an amazing watch. He said that this isn't our tech or any other countries. We can't make it and neither can they. He said we would know if it were a foreign power's tech. We spend over 6 billion just on spying on tech. Said the physics of these craft is so mind blowing it's unreal and he said there is an up close video that will come out that will change everything.


Yes
Very interesting listen

They also discuss the importance of the oceans and possible ultra terrestrial hypothesis (the others are based on earth “here” with us)

How I wish, how I wish you were here.
We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year,
Running over the same old ground.
What have we found?
The same old fears.
Wish you were here.
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