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Posted on 6/6/26 at 10:48 am to LLeD
This is just a band aid to buy more time.
The industry is dying and there is nothing anyone can do about it, unless they can make it much much cheaper.
The industry is dying and there is nothing anyone can do about it, unless they can make it much much cheaper.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:05 pm to Hobie101
More to keep existing coal fired generation on line. Not only do they produce electricity. These plants also produce fly ash which is used in concrete, synthetic gypsum, which is used to build wall board and also Ceno spheres which are used in makeup. Class C fly Ash from western coal is a direct substitute for cement. It is roughly equivalent to Portland cement
We need a mix of all of the above sources of energy. To destroy one source through environmental regulation is shortsighted there are cost environmentally to every form of generation, even wind. The mining of rare, earths, lithium, etc., is extremely dirty.
We need a mix of all of the above sources of energy. To destroy one source through environmental regulation is shortsighted there are cost environmentally to every form of generation, even wind. The mining of rare, earths, lithium, etc., is extremely dirty.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 12:56 pm to captainFid
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We moved away from coal, not because of real science but because of cheap venture capital money w/ strings attached.
Price is an issue too. Coal plants have really high O&M. There’s just cheaper ways to make a watt now.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 1:50 pm to billjamin
the thing is reduced price of coal also reduces the price of domestic steel
and as said that fly ash is important, too
there were also gasification plants, and possibly newer tech
and as said that fly ash is important, too
there were also gasification plants, and possibly newer tech
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:00 pm to dr
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the thing is reduced price of coal also reduces the price of domestic steel and as said that fly ash is important, too there were also gasification plants, and possibly newer tech
It’s a pretty complicated issue specifically with coal because of the ash. But also transport costs for a heavy fuel don’t help. Coal plants have the second highest O&M $/MWh behind nuclear.
Last time I checked I think the break even cost to produce electricity by source was: (going from memory here but should be directionally correct) in $/kWh
Natural gas: .08
Coal: .12
Gas Peaker: .22
PV Solar: .06
Wind: .06
Solar Thermal: .19
Nuclear: .18
Geothermal: .08
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:03 pm to billjamin
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Also we really need a more is more approach and throw everything at this problem or retail utility rates are going to sky rocket in the coming years.
Correct. And this is why Trump is an idiot for shutting down the renewable projects that were already in progress.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:05 pm to Powerman
Powermullah the renewables hamas member.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:30 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Sorry, coal is dirty af, go look at India if you want to see what overconsumption of coal looks like. We need to be transitioning to combined cycle coal/nat gas and ultimately nat gas
They crap on their hands and dont take baths.
Doesnt me we have to follow their leadon crappy things they do
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:32 pm to Jbird
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Powermullah the renewables hamas member.
He’s right. The projects and programs that were killed were a bad idea along with all the tax code frickery in OBBB. It’s bad energy policy that’s getting exacerbated by surging demand.
I don’t personally have that big of a problem with it because I make shite tons of money off all this. But it’s bad for Americans.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:37 pm to billjamin
Of course. It's completely irresponsible governance and clapping seals like JBird don't have the capacity to understand anything.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:38 pm to billjamin
I found it entertaining when the administration demanded the California plant reopen…Now they’re passing along a new admin fee for the startup.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 2:59 pm to lsuconnman
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I found it entertaining when the administration demanded the California plant reopen…Now they’re passing along a new admin fee for the startup.
ClassicPosted on 6/6/26 at 3:09 pm to hubertcumberdale
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Sorry, coal is dirty af,
So how about nuclear? No matter the energy source, filth acts like they hate it and are okay with living in caves.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:14 pm to tarzana
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:22 pm to Powerman
Powermullah tried soo hard.
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:45 pm to tarzana
White smoke is water vapor. Try harder next time
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:46 pm to CitizenK
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Try harder next time
Let me rephrase that-- the visible white component is STEAM. Whether you call it water vapor or steam, it's a greenhouse gas, heating the planet.
Bottom line-- don't burn coal. It's not nice
Posted on 6/6/26 at 7:20 pm to CDawson
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So how about nuclear? No matter the energy source, filth acts like they hate it and are okay with living in caves.
I’m in the natural gas biz, so I would prefer nat gas since some natural/man made disaster can always occur to cause a nuclear incident like most recently in Japan after the tsunami
We also have a shite ton of clean burning natural gas right here in the USA
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 6/6/26 at 7:33 pm to billjamin
For an existing coal fired plant you have already paid for construction. That is a cost advantage vs new site purchase, development, permitting and construction.
As I mentioned much of the coal combustion byproducts are used. Nearly every coal fired plant in the east is on a river and coal is delivered by barge. They all have rail access too.
Ash is dry handled and placed in a lined landfill with a leachate collection system.
Costs will determine new construction. The most efficient will win. What Trump is doing is leveling the playing field. American coal provides American jobs. Most solar panels are made in Asia.
Coal’s biggest advantage is reliability. It can generate power day and night. With multiple generators outages are overcome and are often planned as preventive maintenance.
There is a cost to the public when green energy goes off line.
As I mentioned much of the coal combustion byproducts are used. Nearly every coal fired plant in the east is on a river and coal is delivered by barge. They all have rail access too.
Ash is dry handled and placed in a lined landfill with a leachate collection system.
Costs will determine new construction. The most efficient will win. What Trump is doing is leveling the playing field. American coal provides American jobs. Most solar panels are made in Asia.
Coal’s biggest advantage is reliability. It can generate power day and night. With multiple generators outages are overcome and are often planned as preventive maintenance.
There is a cost to the public when green energy goes off line.
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