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re: Trump: I wouldn’t support a COVID shutdown - I never had one

Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:17 am to
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:17 am to
quote:

Trump damaged the entire country in 2020 with his reckless actions.


So why did you vote for him?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62541 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:18 am to
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He left the shut down authority to the states as he should have.
True. But his NIH and CDC issued guidelines that called for shutdowns, masking, etc. There were a few governors that ignored those guidelines. Trump criticized them for it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56707 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:18 am to
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All movie theaters, concert houses, auditoriums, playhouses, bowling alleys, arcades, gymnasiums, fitness studios and beaches shall close.”


The only qualifier to that in section 5 had to do with gymnasiums. In section 6 he even says he is doing it in response to the 15 days to slow the spread.


You’re wrong. The wording is plain and clear. It wasn’t long, but Ron did shut down the beaches.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127840 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:19 am to
The order you are linking:

ONLY APPLIES TO BROWARD AND PALM, as I have stated.

It is NOT A STATEWIDE LOCKDOWN.

At no time did he ever issue a Statewide lockdown.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:19 am to
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BBONDS25

1 to 10, how would you rate the culpability for the Covid shitshow for Trump and DeSantis.

1 being BBONDS and DJS level of zero culpability

10 being Fauci level, worthy of imprisonment

Where do you put Trump on that scale?

Where do you put DeSantis?
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 11:20 am
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56707 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:19 am to
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You can find numerous statements from him and from the media that there was no statewide lockdown of beaches. ON the date of that EO, and the days following.


Or I can read the plain language of the order. I linked it. Read section 5. It’s no big deal. Ron handled Covid better than most. The fact does remain, he did shut down beaches.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 11:20 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62541 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:20 am to
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All of those agencies weaponized the federal government guidelines against the people.
But Trump had no control over them. He's a victim of the deep state that runs everything. Totally not his fault. And you know he can't defeat the deep state.

Oh, and make sure you vote for him, because he's totally going to drain the swamp, this time! He's the only one that can save us!

Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127840 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:21 am to
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Or I can read the plain language of the order


Which

Only

Applied

to

Broward

and

Palm Beach
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30404 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:21 am to
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They should have asked Trump what a federalist is. Guarantee he has no clue.


You think that's some tough definition to know the meaning of?
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
154572 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:21 am to
My beach was never shut down.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21794 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:21 am to
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So why did you vote for him?

How many times/ways does this need to be explained to you?

A conservative would vote for Trump over Biden because as weak/liberal Trump is as a conservative, he's lightyears better than f'n Joe Biden.

Seriously, why doesn't that make sense to you?
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
9354 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:21 am to
The thing about Trump is he was all over all sides of the issue on Covid and still is. He has never denounced Fauci or said he needs to be held accountable. He still thinks he did a great job. He still thinks the Vax is amazing and saved hundreds of millions of lives and he deserves credit. He gave Fauci a medal and then also said he didn't know about it.

How can you explain this?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
A conservative wouldn’t vote for someone they hate along with disagreeing with all of his policies.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127840 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
He thinks he has a gotcha but didn't read the order.

It only applies to two counties.

At no time, EVER, did Ron Desantis ever issue a statewide lockdown of Beaches.

Ever.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62541 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
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I always associate GasLighting with the left. I always thought, well, we are a little better than that.

But this primary cycle has been very eye opening to me. I will never look at "our side" the same again.
Same.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56707 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
I give trump an F. I give DeSantis a C- It doesn’t matter at all to me for 2024. I am wagering there won’t be a global pandemic next term.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
Yes he did and he rode his executive order for over a year.
Posted by Unclejimbo83
Member since Jan 2024
129 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:22 am to
If he’d never gone along with rushing out an unproven experimental mRNA shot there would’ve been no shots to mandate
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
39843 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:23 am to
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So why did you vote for him?


The alternative was Biden.

Owned by China. Corrupt to the core. Selling out to the Green faction and Wokeism. Kowtowing to Marxists everywhere.

The choice was easy.


In 2024 there’s no reason to vote for Trump when there’s far superior candidates. The only reason anyone will vote for Trump over a DeSantis or a Vivek is because they’re emotional.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
9561 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 11:23 am to
Regarding Covid and Fauci, what exactly should have Trump done?

Be specific.

He should have fired the guy put in place 30 years ago, who for all he knows is a decent person and knowledgeable doctor? Should he have gone on the news and told the world he was more informed than that doctor and he wasn’t going to take his advice? How would that have gone you think?

Should he have just known this doctor had bad intentions or motives, despite having that position for 30 years?

If he fired Fauci, when should he have done it? What date? Who would be his replacement?

I’d like more specifics.
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