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True or False : Hierarchical structures tilt towards tyrrany
Posted on 5/19/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 9:58 pm
If true... why would you support a stronger structure?
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Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:03 pm to CptBengal
False.
Hierarchy - at least that which is explicit, formal, and understandable - makes a man's station, purpose, and place readily understood.
The problem, I think, what we have today is an ostensibly non-hierarchy, which is obvious bullshite in any human society beyond the most base hunter-gatherer society. We don't know who are rulers and rulemakers are, because we are technically beyond any kind of rule. That makes subversive governance a hell of a lot easier and effective.
Hierarchy - at least that which is explicit, formal, and understandable - makes a man's station, purpose, and place readily understood.
The problem, I think, what we have today is an ostensibly non-hierarchy, which is obvious bullshite in any human society beyond the most base hunter-gatherer society. We don't know who are rulers and rulemakers are, because we are technically beyond any kind of rule. That makes subversive governance a hell of a lot easier and effective.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:10 pm to CptBengal
Just because I tell you we'll be equals when the plan is implemented doesn't mean it's gonna happen. I'll have my guards, that I've placed just higher in the heirarchy than you, cut off your head.
Now, let's build our socialist utopia, comradde.
Now, let's build our socialist utopia, comradde.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:16 pm to CptBengal
Quite the opposite.
Everybody has different skills, abilities, and drive. The only way to attempt to a have purely classless society is through tyranny.
Human nature and freedom will have the byproduct of a hierarchical system of class, and that is absolutely a good thing.
Everybody has different skills, abilities, and drive. The only way to attempt to a have purely classless society is through tyranny.
Human nature and freedom will have the byproduct of a hierarchical system of class, and that is absolutely a good thing.
This post was edited on 5/19/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:51 pm to CptBengal
quote:Obviously true.
rue or False : Hierarchical structures tilt towards tyrrany
quote:I don't
why would you support a stronger structure?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:52 pm to HempHead
Posted on 5/19/18 at 10:55 pm to SCLibertarian
My dear baw, have you read much Hoppe?
Posted on 5/19/18 at 11:07 pm to HempHead
I've read some of his commentaries on Lew Rockwell and Justin Raimondo's Antiwar.com over the years.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 11:10 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:
I've read some of his commentaries on Lew Rockwell and Justin Raimondo's Antiwar.com over the years.
Please read Democracy: The God That Failed.
PDFs and anything else digital are inferior to print for reading, but I've got you covered if you don't want to pay for it.
Posted on 5/19/18 at 11:16 pm to HempHead
Thanks man! I got it downloaded!
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:02 am to HempHead
Mentions of Rothbard and Hoppe back to back posts?!
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:14 am to CptBengal
I would substitute the word "Bureaucratic" for the word "Hierarchical".
Joe Paterno's football program, The Obama Deep State The Catholic Church, your kid's school when you go to deliver unpleasant information to them. At some point it exists to PERPETUATE ITSELF and will close ranks with the quickness on any external challenge. And that's when tyranny, or evil, prevails. The larger the organization, the more likely this occurs. Particularly with government. The bureaucracy becomes interested in protecting itself, and the Truth is kicked to the curb.
Joe Paterno's football program, The Obama Deep State The Catholic Church, your kid's school when you go to deliver unpleasant information to them. At some point it exists to PERPETUATE ITSELF and will close ranks with the quickness on any external challenge. And that's when tyranny, or evil, prevails. The larger the organization, the more likely this occurs. Particularly with government. The bureaucracy becomes interested in protecting itself, and the Truth is kicked to the curb.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 4:26 am
Posted on 5/20/18 at 4:20 am to CptBengal
quote:
True or False : Hierarchical structures tilt towards tyrrany
You watched all of that Peterson debate too, huh?
Dyson is a douche.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 7:43 am to CptBengal
I think the the underlying truth that you are trying to get to is this:
This universe operates on the principle of headship. Unfortunately, in such a universe, hierarchical structures are much more easily corrupted and turned to evil than distributed ones.
Example: distributed churches like the Baptist and Orthodox have remained faithful while hierarchical ones like the Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican and Pope Frank's Lonely Hearts Club Band, well...
This universe operates on the principle of headship. Unfortunately, in such a universe, hierarchical structures are much more easily corrupted and turned to evil than distributed ones.
Example: distributed churches like the Baptist and Orthodox have remained faithful while hierarchical ones like the Presbyterian, Methodist, Anglican and Pope Frank's Lonely Hearts Club Band, well...
Posted on 5/20/18 at 7:45 am to CptBengal
Seems it all leads to tyranny and why a unfettered press is vital.
This is what needs to be fixed not him or her but it.
This is what needs to be fixed not him or her but it.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 8:03 am to goatmilker
quote:
a unfettered press is vital.
but what happens when that press decides voluntarily, to partner with tyranny?
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:03 am to TrueTiger
There is more power invested in a Group wherein TRUE Principles are recognized, agreed upon and implemented. Such was the basis for American success since our Constitutional (Principles) Founding.
The struggle has now become a competitive scenario for an arising Marxist/Egalitarian Ideological challenge for that 'Group'/Government Bureaucracy power.
The Idea of Egalitarianism will always be alluring/appealing to the Morality-based conscience/nature of evolving Humanity; and in many common sense ways...it behooves survival and prosperity to best be served by bucking up the weak in a society, more so than rewarding the Strong with extravagant form of worldly and narcissistic affluence. Since it is the weak 'links' that usually fail the power of the 'chain'.
That said, power resides in the Strong, and to the degree that the Strong become corrupt (perceiving and acting upon un-truthful Principles), then the Strong become more of a threat to the survival and prosperity of the Group than do the weak.
Bottom line. "There is a way that seemeth right unto Man, but the end thereof is destruction" (Biblical). Unbridled Egalitarianism - minus the qualifying Truths/Principles which must guide wise Group Ideology - is fool's gold. And a sure recipe for the kind of Biblical calamity implied in the above. And those qualifying Principles must be applied equally - I.e., "Equal Justice" - across the hierarchical board.
We are moving forward...new territory...and have currently become relatively lost re truthful Principle. "Where there is no vision, my people die". Time will tell as to the price we pay to get back on the straight and narrow.
The struggle has now become a competitive scenario for an arising Marxist/Egalitarian Ideological challenge for that 'Group'/Government Bureaucracy power.
The Idea of Egalitarianism will always be alluring/appealing to the Morality-based conscience/nature of evolving Humanity; and in many common sense ways...it behooves survival and prosperity to best be served by bucking up the weak in a society, more so than rewarding the Strong with extravagant form of worldly and narcissistic affluence. Since it is the weak 'links' that usually fail the power of the 'chain'.
That said, power resides in the Strong, and to the degree that the Strong become corrupt (perceiving and acting upon un-truthful Principles), then the Strong become more of a threat to the survival and prosperity of the Group than do the weak.
Bottom line. "There is a way that seemeth right unto Man, but the end thereof is destruction" (Biblical). Unbridled Egalitarianism - minus the qualifying Truths/Principles which must guide wise Group Ideology - is fool's gold. And a sure recipe for the kind of Biblical calamity implied in the above. And those qualifying Principles must be applied equally - I.e., "Equal Justice" - across the hierarchical board.
We are moving forward...new territory...and have currently become relatively lost re truthful Principle. "Where there is no vision, my people die". Time will tell as to the price we pay to get back on the straight and narrow.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:11 am to CptBengal
Nevermind.
Misread question. Yes, hierarchies tilt toward authoritarianism but are also completely necessary for a functioning society and removing them almost assuredly will lead to authoritarism.
Misread question. Yes, hierarchies tilt toward authoritarianism but are also completely necessary for a functioning society and removing them almost assuredly will lead to authoritarism.
This post was edited on 5/20/18 at 9:23 am
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:14 am to CptBengal
quote:
Hierarchical structures tilt towards tyrrany
True and it was detailed by British writers in the 18th century.
quote:
why would you support a stronger structure?
Because some people realize that a strong hierarchical structure is the only way to make people live their lives the way I want them to.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:20 am to CptBengal
quote:True
True or False : Hierarchical structures tilt towards tyrrany
quote:If by stronger, you mean more controls in place to limit the power of those at the top, yes, I would support a stronger structure
why would you support a stronger structure?
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