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Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted by JimNat
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:04 pm
I have been a born again Christian since 1975 and the subject of the rapture has troubled me. It is not in scripture that I can find. I was saved in a southern baptist church in a revival, yes we actually had revivals back in the day, and it was not discussed in my formative years as an young Christian. The issues I have with it would be the persecutions that true believers have faced through out history.
I go to a Church of God today and they believe in a pretribulation rapture but I am unsure. I would like some feed back on the issue.
Posted by Tiger985
Member since Nov 2006
6461 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:05 pm to
Ain't no Rapture if you not wearing a mask.

Don't get left behind.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112410 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

pretribulation


The correct term is 'pre-trials and tribulations.'
Posted by CaptEasy
Panama City Beach
Member since Feb 2018
424 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:07 pm to
Relax OP.

You’ll know when the end of days is near.


This ain’t it.
Posted by TigahTeeth
Georgia
Member since Feb 2016
5168 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:10 pm to
There’s so many interpretations and ideas on the rapture. I’ve attended Baptist, Catholic, Church if God and Presbyterian. One sentiment remains the same as it says in the Bible. No one will enter the Kingdom of Heaven but through Christ. Believe in Him is the only way.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:12 pm to


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Posted by Loaner1231
Member since Jan 2016
3903 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

The Bible is not clear on if the rapture will happen before the tribulation, in the middle of the tribulation, or after the tribulation.

I have heard good arguments for each by Christians.


^

Your stance on where in the timeline rapture occurs isn't going to affect your salvation. Don't fret too much on the topic.
Posted by DougsMugs
Georgia
Member since Aug 2019
8239 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:16 pm to
I understand the desire to want to escape or not face the horrors that are predicted, but Christians fed to lions, burned in Syria and Iraq, tortured throughout the world and time, didn't get to escape.

Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27045 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

Tough Topic


Not really... like many other biblical interpretations of events throughout the Bible, Christians often get wrapped up in arguing over stuff that really does not matter if one's belief is firmly planted in Jesus Christ...

If you are truly saved, you will not fear death, nor persecution, nor anything that is to come to pass...
Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
Hey brother,
I also was raised the same way until I started actually reading the Bible for myself and looking around me at the westernization of the Church with post modern ideas and the whole prosperity charlatans and said to myself...this isn’t what Jesus talked about.

I looked into what the early church believed and ALL along the way they taught what Christ said...He will return again ONCE and then those of the believers who are dead will be raised up and those who remain through the Troubles of Jacob aka Tribulation will be caught up to Christ before He judges those who reject Him on the Day of the Lord.

The pre trib school of thought came about with John Darby in the 1800s...prior to that...no such belief was accepted by Orthodox or other Protestants.

LINK

That’s why so many in the Church will fall away when they are not taken away from the darkness that is coming and are disenchanted that they were lied to and thus may look towards our Lord as being unjust.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
17474 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:18 pm to
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 4:13?-?18 NASB
Posted by JimNat
Member since Jan 2020
687 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:19 pm to
I believe in the eternal security of the true believer. I know I will make it no doubt in my heart, it’s this subject that I wonder about. Jesus taught in the parable of the wheat and Tares that the Father would send His angels to take the tares out not the wheat, the wheat being Christians
Posted by Pianoman
New Iberia
Member since Dec 2003
2874 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:20 pm to
Probably have the wrong board as this is the Politics board. No you won't find the word "rapture" in the bible, but the principles is clearly there, and you will see similar terms such "catching away", "caught up", etc. There are usually three different views....pre-millennial, A-millennial, and post-millennial, depending on when you believe the "rapture" will happen.
Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:22 pm to
This is exactly it...He comes back once and for all. To gather all of those who have chose to acknowledge Jesus as their King and Savior. It’s truly beautiful.
Posted by JimNat
Member since Jan 2020
687 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:23 pm to
Good point!!
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43979 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:24 pm to
I’m a deeply devout Christian, but not an evangelical.
I don’t believe in a literal rapture that suddenly occurs as I’m fixin’ dinner.
The timing thing (e.g., 7 years) just isn’t my jam.

My feelings: Christ will ultimately return bodily, visibly, and spiritually to exist with His followers. But that’s not the focus of my walk. I try to live as Jesus taught us to live: by loving one another and forgiving those who wrong us. I believe I will spend eternity in my Father’s house—regardless of when that occurs. This Earth is not my home.


John 14:1-3 | “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."
This post was edited on 7/14/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by EKG
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2010
43979 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Probably have the wrong board as this is the Politics board.

There is no board on this website that’s earmarked specifically for discussions about faith and religion.
Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:26 pm to
Here is a great group of folks who live their faith and offer awesome bible studies on eschatological events:

FAI: LINK
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
18582 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:32 pm to
Read revelations. There is rapture Paul spoke of it:

quote:

According to Paul, at the appointed time and as quickly as “a blink of an eye” (1 Cor. 15:52), the dead would rise. Then the living would be snatched up or carried off immediately afterward in order to meet Christ in the clouds (1 Thess. 4:16-17). In the Vulgate, the early Latin Bible, the word used for God’s plucking us up into the sky was rapiemur, from which we derive the word “rapture.” To understand what would happen next, we must grasp the ancient idea of parousia.



quote:

In the Greco-Roman world, a parousia was a celebration of the arrival of someone of distinction. It could be a person of political or military status or a god represented by an idol and accompanied by priests. The church’s liturgical calendar celebrates the triumphant entry of Jesus into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday—a Christian adaptation of a pre-existent practice. It is important to note that such celebrated arrivals were planned in advance. At the appointed time, those being visited by the arriving dignity or deity would go out of the city gate as a sign of welcome and respect. The townsfolk would then process back into the city with the honored visitor, along with devotions or merriment.


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When most Christians think of the Rapture today, they imagine the redeemed being snatched up to heaven by Christ as if they have a one-way ticket. But when Paul spoke of being carried off to meet Christ in the clouds, it was not for the purpose of flying away to heaven but to welcome the Lord and return with him in glory. This moment represents the culmination of God’s plan, the great Eschaton, for which all Christians pray when they cry out, “Thy kingdom come.” Our very baptism reminded us of this day: “When the Lord comes, may you go out to meet him with all the saints of the heavenly kingdom.”

Posted by CrusaderInfidel
Tishomingo
Member since Feb 2015
248 posts
Posted on 7/14/20 at 1:34 pm to
Jim,
Proud of you for seeking His Truth. He will always answer your heart’s call when you seek Him with true humility. I’ve read your posts and you obviously have a heart that loves God. I pray that your walk only grows stronger and the FAI resource helps you.
Rick
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