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re: Tom Fitton Says IGNORE THE PARDONS, PROSECUTE

Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
35227 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:16 pm to
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Either way you can't prosecute. If there was a crime then it's part and if there was not a crime there's nothing to prosecute


You would argue the inverse if it were the other way around.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4570 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:17 pm to
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Can a person with dementia enter a binding contract?
I think/hope that might be an avenue to rescind the pardons.
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
3077 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:18 pm to
So you are telling me Biden knew of all these crimes his underlings were committing and instead of investigating and prosecuting he covered them up and then pardoned them. Hmm, sounds like Biden should be criminally charged for the cover up
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
106647 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:26 pm to
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If there was no crime committed then the part in the ceremonial



Ceremonial. LOL
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
30831 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:27 pm to
Fraud Vitiates Everything

UCMJ Tribunals
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
84651 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:28 pm to
I would give them the option

Forfeit all benefits from the US Govt including including retirement, rank and security clearance while falling on the sword for what you’ve done

Or

We prosecute and you go to jail because it will be proven.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
31791 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:35 pm to
They did not challenge it because Ford could do it. The only way that a pardon or clemency is not applicable is in the case of civil suits, or for those people that are impeached. You can challenge it, but it would be a fool's errand.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
16338 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:35 pm to
Biden didn’t pardon himself, Crooked Hillary, or Black Jesus. He just created a bunch of witnesses with no fifth amendment protections.

Other stuff can happen regardless of criminal prosecutions. Fauci and other assholes in congressional hearing perjury traps. The pardons can’t possibly cover lies these criminals haven’t told yet.

Removal from Congress / Congressional committees (eg Schiff). Revocation of security clearances. Civil lawsuits. Revocation of federal retirement. Terminations. Revocation of professional licenses. Impeachment of judges. State prosecutions where possible.

Lots of things can and should happen, but moving on like nothing ever happened is not one of the things that can or should happen. Or every President going forward can run a crime syndicate and then burn the evidence on his way out.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
30917 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:40 pm to
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They did not challenge it because Ford could do it. The only way that a pardon or clemency is not applicable is in the case of civil suits, or for those people that are impeached. You can challenge it, but it would be a fool's errand.


You may be right. But, like the birthright citizenship debate, plenty of constitutional scholars disagree.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3509 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:46 pm to
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I think the COVID stuff is complicated and they would never make anything stick against Fauci.


But funding gain of research was against the law and he can be prosecuted for that.
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
15088 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
31791 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 3:59 pm to
Very few disagree who are serious scholars. In this case, a person who accepts a pardon dies not lose 5th Amendment protections. The Supreme Court was very clear about that
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
30917 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:14 pm to
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Very few disagree who are serious scholars


Such as the very serious scholar Kiwihead?
Posted by Teauxler
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
3439 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:16 pm to
Keep their pardon.. they’ve lost their 5th amendment rights. Force them to testify . Them get their asses for perjury. Parsons don’t cover future crimes !!
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
1970 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:22 pm to
I got an offer, the leftie lawyers will somehow find this as possible in the Constitution, but not the end of birth right citizenship. I say we split it, and we take BRC.
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
2161 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:23 pm to
The idea of blanket pre emptive pardons for everything possible for a decade is not legally sound.

Pardons are only for specific things, at specific times and specific charges.
Posted by HagaDaga
Member since Oct 2020
1970 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:25 pm to
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Keep their pardon.. they’ve lost their 5th amendment rights. Force them to testify . Them get their asses for perjury. Parsons don’t cover future crimes !!

And because they are guilty of "something" all get any kind of of clearance revoked. Liz Cheney, Milley, and acting congressman with no clearance is a bitch.

Milley though is fricked still if I understand it. I don't believe this doesn't cover punishment under military tribunal. But who knows maybe there is something in the pardon Biden is trying.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
75012 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:39 pm to
Horrible precedent.

The Dims will exploit it.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
55873 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:41 pm to
I do think there's a good argument to be made that blanket pardons might not be constitutional. This seems like something that needs to be litigated.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
68034 posts
Posted on 1/20/25 at 4:42 pm to
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