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re: Time to take the Cuffs off Ukraine

Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:27 am to
Posted by PoppedRiser
Member since May 2025
856 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:27 am to
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Or just cut off aid to Ukraine and the war will end 10x faster.


And you save 15% on not carrying freeloaders.

This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 3:28 am
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6554 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:54 am to
The Russian capacity for long term suffering in order to play the long game is second to none. There is nothing in that country’s history that suggests it is not willing to sacrifice millions of its own for military or political reasons. I suggest to you that “deep strikes” do nothing more than motivate or justify the Russian mind as to why NATO shouldn’t be on its doorstep. This war is about one thing —western alliances on its door step. The Russian mind contains the historical DNA of the military conflicts from 1800-1945. The period of 1945 through 2020 was by far the most peaceful for the Russian in relative terms as it did not suffer civilian or military losses due to invasion from the west during that stretch. The Russian mind believes that this did not occur bc western alliances were not allowed on its doorstep during this period. Hence the reason for its motivation in the current conflict. No path to peace exists until one understands this concept. So unless you are will to sacrifice millions for every Russian milllion in a conventional war , or initiate a global nuclear war , take NATO off the table and begin negotiations from there.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 4:42 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65908 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 3:59 am to
quote:

Time to take the Cuffs off Ukraine


What is it that you think we're not allowing Ukraine to do?
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1734 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 5:31 am to
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 5:56 am to
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Let them strike deeply into Russia with European provided weapons.


Don't really care as long as they are not US provided weapons and we have fully remove the US from any involvement in that fiasco...
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
10226 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:22 am to
Yeah don't think that would work out the way you think it would.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
13305 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:33 am to
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Crappieman


quote:

posts: 625


Name checks out. Now go away, troll
Posted by SlayTime
Member since Jan 2025
3738 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 6:37 am to
Trump needs to use this as a talking point to remove us from NATO. Just like China opened the door to exit WHO, use this to GTFO of NATO.

Let Europe deal with shitbag Eastern Europeans.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139133 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:19 am to
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Let them strike deeply into Russia with European provided weapons.
In other words, based on the Kennedy doctrine, an attack on Russia from Ukraine using another country's weapons would be considered an attack on Russia by that country, and justify retaliation accordingly.
Posted by Crappieman
Member since Apr 2025
2151 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:25 am to
Its already going happening using US weapons. Unless Putin fears a Moscow strike he'll continue to string Trump along on peace talks
Posted by FriendofBaruch
Member since Mar 2025
878 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:31 am to
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The US needs to take the CIA out of Ukraine and quit sending any help that prolongs the loss.
yeah, cutting off the aid to Ukraine is a sure winner

it has to be initiated with removal of US personnel first - and any Mossad that is there
Posted by LARancher1991
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2015
2254 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:53 am to
They are already doing that
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17199 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:58 am to
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Let them strike deeply into Russia with European provided weapons. It's the only thing that will bring Putin to the bargaining table.


Do you think the Russians are throwing everything they have at Ukraine right now? Do you lack the common sense to realize that Ukraine escalating strikes will result in Russia escalating its bombardment of Ukraine?

Ukraine isn't going to suddenly turn the tide of the war in their favor with some magic "Victory" weapons. Some of you are extremely delusional regarding Ukraine's capabilities.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17137 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:13 am to
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Mach 10 missiles ........ did not Maverick in the opening scenes demonstrate that mach 10 caused the leading edges of the plane to overheat and burn up? Missle/plane at mach 10 pretty much the same


Planes and missiles are very different. Many missiles achieve "escape velocity" when leaving the atmosphere of 25,000 mph which is over mach 30.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5331 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:21 am to
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i would tell Europe, you better step up big and quick.


Europe has scrimped on their own defense for way too long. It's not like anyone just discovered that Russia is a threat, but Europe has continued to rely heavily on the US. Meanwhile the US has been digging a debt hole that was inevitably going to limit our ability to police the world.

If Europe wants to deter Putin, then quit attacking Russia and build your damn deterrence on the eastern borders of NATO. Or bomb Russia on your own without dragging the US into it.
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